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If the Israeli government refuses to cooperate, doesn't that reinforce the perspective that the company is separate from Israeli intelligence agencies, only bec

If the Israeli government refuses to cooperate, doesn't that reinforce the perspective that the company is separate from Israeli intelligence agencies, only because of the desire for plausible deniability?

landoftheice 3y ago
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javimoran 3y ago
I don't think so. What the article said is that the government has simply not replied to the 4 requests that have been sent over the last year and a half. To me sticking your head under the sand doesn't imply anything good.
vuln 3y ago
The _export_ is controlled by the Israeli government. From wiki “Pegasus spyware is classified as a weapon by Israel and any export of the technology must be approved by the government.[9]” [9] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/spyware-technology-found-on-phone-of-moroccan-journalist-report-says/2020/06/21/ca409294-b220-11ea-8758-bfd1d045525a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/spyware-techno... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group
- jacooper 3y ago
  Thats BS, the NSO has very big connections with the mossad, its not a coincidence all their leadership come from the mossad.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    > "Pegasus spyware is classified as a weapon by Israel and any export of the technology must be approved by the government." vs > "the NSO has very big connections with the mossad, its not a coincidence all their leadership come from the mossad." You know Mossad is part of the Israeli government, right? NSO is a Mossad operation, e.g. an op of the Israeli government, and all their exports are approved by the Israeli government. There's no contradiction here.
miohtama 3y ago
There are international treaties for international police investigations or "request for mutual assistance." Here is the actual agreement text between the European Union and Israel you can read yourself: "Working Arrangement establishing cooperative relations between the law enforcement authorities of Israel and the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation" https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/working_arrangement_establishing_cooperative_relations_between_the_law_enforcement_authorities_of_israel_and_the_european_union.pdf https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/... Computer crime is listed as one are of co-operation. Israel is not honouring these agreements.
- Zuiii 3y ago
  > Israel is not honouring these agreements. Israel has a long history of not honoring international treaties. Look it up. It's surprising that people are still surprised by this. Maybe we should make history classes mandatory for diplomats.
vkou 3y ago
I think it reinforces the perspective that Israel is a rogue state.

landoftheice 3y ago

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javimoran 3y ago

I don't think so. What the article said is that the government has simply not replied to the 4 requests that have been sent over the last year and a half. To me sticking your head under the sand doesn't imply anything good.

vuln 3y ago

The _export_ is controlled by the Israeli government. From wiki “Pegasus spyware is classified as a weapon by Israel and any export of the technology must be approved by the government.[9]” [9] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/spyware-technology-found-on-phone-of-moroccan-journalist-report-says/2020/06/21/ca409294-b220-11ea-8758-bfd1d045525a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/spyware-techno... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group

jacooper 3y ago
Thats BS, the NSO has very big connections with the mossad, its not a coincidence all their leadership come from the mossad.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > "Pegasus spyware is classified as a weapon by Israel and any export of the technology must be approved by the government." vs > "the NSO has very big connections with the mossad, its not a coincidence all their leadership come from the mossad." You know Mossad is part of the Israeli government, right? NSO is a Mossad operation, e.g. an op of the Israeli government, and all their exports are approved by the Israeli government. There's no contradiction here.

miohtama 3y ago

There are international treaties for international police investigations or "request for mutual assistance." Here is the actual agreement text between the European Union and Israel you can read yourself: "Working Arrangement establishing cooperative relations between the law enforcement authorities of Israel and the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation" https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/working_arrangement_establishing_cooperative_relations_between_the_law_enforcement_authorities_of_israel_and_the_european_union.pdf https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/... Computer crime is listed as one are of co-operation. Israel is not honouring these agreements.

Zuiii 3y ago
> Israel is not honouring these agreements. Israel has a long history of not honoring international treaties. Look it up. It's surprising that people are still surprised by this. Maybe we should make history classes mandatory for diplomats.

vkou 3y ago

I think it reinforces the perspective that Israel is a rogue state.