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What's the licensing situation on this? Would I be distributing parts of macOS in my containers? I don't think Apple is OK with that. Or is this just the fully

by donatj 3y ago

What's the licensing situation on this? Would I be distributing parts of macOS in my containers? I don't think Apple is OK with that. Or is this just the fully open source Darwin core? That wouldn't likely be super compatible with a ton of production software? I need more explanation of what is actually going on here because it sounds like a good way to get sued.

lloeki 3y ago
> Would I be distributing parts of macOS in my containers? Unless you're producing fully static binaries (or static enough that they don't bind to non-redistributable things) it'd be a yes (it would not be much of a container if it needed non-packaged things) The screenshot points out a ghcr.io URL that lands on these packages: https://github.com/orgs/macOScontainers/packages?repo_name=macos-jail https://github.com/orgs/macOScontainers/packages?repo_name=m... Edit: There's a note here†, so at least there is some consideration for licensing. No idea if it holds ground. † https://github.com/macOScontainers/macos-jail/blob/9b1d5b141091c795887b35dd0289d3fe363dd631/README.md#macos-jail https://github.com/macOScontainers/macos-jail/blob/9b1d5b141...
- donatj 3y ago
  Counting the hours until this gets DMCA'd out of existence
  - lloeki 3y ago
    Anecdotally: - there has been images like that circulating on well-known platforms† for a long time. - I never heard of a single DMCA on any of these, even though they were on much clearer violation of the license. Apple might be pulling a Hackintosh manoeuvre here. † an example, there are many others: https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra
  - notnmeyer 3y ago
    folks have been building macos vm images, sharing them, and virtualizing macos on macos for a decade or so now. is this that much different?
slonopotamus 3y ago
> What's the licensing situation on this? 1. This project didn't take explicit permission from Apple to redistribute binaries 2. There are multiple jurisdictions where you don't need to explicitly have such permission, it is implied by law 3. Usage of this software implies you already have macOS system. I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to be covered by section 3 of macOS EULA. 4. There are existing precedents of redistribution of macOS binaries for multiple years aready: - https://github.com/cirruslabs/macos-image-templates/pkgs/container/macos-ventura-base https://github.com/cirruslabs/macos-image-templates/pkgs/con... - https://hub.docker.com/r/sickcodes/docker-osx https://hub.docker.com/r/sickcodes/docker-osx - https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra And so on.

by donatj 3y ago

lloeki 3y ago

> Would I be distributing parts of macOS in my containers? Unless you're producing fully static binaries (or static enough that they don't bind to non-redistributable things) it'd be a yes (it would not be much of a container if it needed non-packaged things) The screenshot points out a ghcr.io URL that lands on these packages: https://github.com/orgs/macOScontainers/packages?repo_name=macos-jail https://github.com/orgs/macOScontainers/packages?repo_name=m... Edit: There's a note here†, so at least there is some consideration for licensing. No idea if it holds ground. † https://github.com/macOScontainers/macos-jail/blob/9b1d5b141091c795887b35dd0289d3fe363dd631/README.md#macos-jail https://github.com/macOScontainers/macos-jail/blob/9b1d5b141...

donatj 3y ago
Counting the hours until this gets DMCA'd out of existence
- lloeki 3y ago
  Anecdotally: - there has been images like that circulating on well-known platforms† for a long time. - I never heard of a single DMCA on any of these, even though they were on much clearer violation of the license. Apple might be pulling a Hackintosh manoeuvre here. † an example, there are many others: https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra
- notnmeyer 3y ago
  folks have been building macos vm images, sharing them, and virtualizing macos on macos for a decade or so now. is this that much different?

slonopotamus 3y ago

> What's the licensing situation on this? 1. This project didn't take explicit permission from Apple to redistribute binaries 2. There are multiple jurisdictions where you don't need to explicitly have such permission, it is implied by law 3. Usage of this software implies you already have macOS system. I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to be covered by section 3 of macOS EULA. 4. There are existing precedents of redistribution of macOS binaries for multiple years aready: - https://github.com/cirruslabs/macos-image-templates/pkgs/container/macos-ventura-base https://github.com/cirruslabs/macos-image-templates/pkgs/con... - https://hub.docker.com/r/sickcodes/docker-osx https://hub.docker.com/r/sickcodes/docker-osx - https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra https://app.vagrantup.com/jhcook/boxes/macos-sierra And so on.