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> It has been fascinating and demoralizing to watch monetization roll out. To younger generations like my brother, they don't know any different, it's just part

> It has been fascinating and demoralizing to watch monetization roll out. To younger generations like my brother, they don't know any different, it's just part if gaming for them. A step worse too: they are being trained that being bombarded with adverts is acceptable. Genuinely heard (couldn't avoid hearing, the voices were fairly loud) on a train the other week a dad explaining to his charge how he should “watch the adverts all the way through because he'd get an extra coin to spend in the game” and that if he went to a particular screen he could find more adverts to watch. No idea what game it was he was playing. Pay-to-win is winning, and people are encouraging kids to pay by opening themselves to a little light brainwashing. [Not a parent myself, intending to never be, before anyone weights in with “you don't know how hard it can be to keep a child entertained”: I know full well, and it is one of the many reasons I'm planning to stay childless, my position on this is an informed one!]

bondarchuk 3y ago
>A step worse too: they are being trained that being bombarded with adverts is acceptable. We have all been trained that way. The cities in the developed world where you can step outside and walk around for a bit without seeing billboards can be counted on one hand.
- dspillett 3y ago
  Though in the case I heard the viewing was less passive: the kid was being encouraged to seek out adverts for more in-game whatevers.
MandieD 3y ago
No, you're right to be horrified, and I'm the mom of a three year old who will look for things to take apart if left to his own devices. Current screen policy: only "his" laptop, only videos I've picked out for him (currently, he's into Alphablocks and Numberblocks), laptop gets closed and put up for the rest of the day the instant he whines about having to stop watching for whatever reason.
- lacrimacida 3y ago
  Wait, your 3 year old has a laptop already?
  - iFreilicht 3y ago
    Not the person you replied to and don't have kids yet, but with the current state of TV, I'd much rather let my child watch their entertainment on an old laptop (or tablet or whatever) that I control rather than a TV. They can more easily watch with headphones, they can even watch in private if they're introverted, and I'd feel a lot better knowing they won't switch channels without my knowledge or watch adverts for stupid plastic trash.
    - pjlegato 3y ago
      Children don't actually NEED electronic entertainment of any kind. Kids lived that way for a very long time.
      - dspillett 3y ago
        They do benefit from access to technology to an extent though: they need to know about it in order to fully interact with the world they are to grow up into. At what point this becomes necessary is a matter of much argument. They certainly don't need it in the first few years, but I'd suggest they need to be at least aware by the time they are going to school. It is difficult to separate this from entertainment, because being entertained/interested/curious is largely how our brains do some of their best learning at early ages. > Kids lived that way for a very long time. Be careful with appeals to tradition. The world doesn't exactly work the way it did a long time ago, so we are not preparing kids for the same life they were expected to experience back then.
  - bigfishrunning 3y ago
    It's a strange world. My school district gave my kindergartner (5) a laptop.
  - 3y ago
pesfandiar 3y ago
I shuddered at that. There are times that parents have to resort to screen time to entertain children (e.g. a long train ride), but there are many other less harmful options than adverts or gambling-adjacent games.

bondarchuk 3y ago

>A step worse too: they are being trained that being bombarded with adverts is acceptable. We have all been trained that way. The cities in the developed world where you can step outside and walk around for a bit without seeing billboards can be counted on one hand.

dspillett 3y ago
Though in the case I heard the viewing was less passive: the kid was being encouraged to seek out adverts for more in-game whatevers.

MandieD 3y ago

No, you're right to be horrified, and I'm the mom of a three year old who will look for things to take apart if left to his own devices. Current screen policy: only "his" laptop, only videos I've picked out for him (currently, he's into Alphablocks and Numberblocks), laptop gets closed and put up for the rest of the day the instant he whines about having to stop watching for whatever reason.

lacrimacida 3y ago
Wait, your 3 year old has a laptop already?
- iFreilicht 3y ago
  Not the person you replied to and don't have kids yet, but with the current state of TV, I'd much rather let my child watch their entertainment on an old laptop (or tablet or whatever) that I control rather than a TV. They can more easily watch with headphones, they can even watch in private if they're introverted, and I'd feel a lot better knowing they won't switch channels without my knowledge or watch adverts for stupid plastic trash.
  - pjlegato 3y ago
    Children don't actually NEED electronic entertainment of any kind. Kids lived that way for a very long time.
    - dspillett 3y ago
      They do benefit from access to technology to an extent though: they need to know about it in order to fully interact with the world they are to grow up into. At what point this becomes necessary is a matter of much argument. They certainly don't need it in the first few years, but I'd suggest they need to be at least aware by the time they are going to school. It is difficult to separate this from entertainment, because being entertained/interested/curious is largely how our brains do some of their best learning at early ages. > Kids lived that way for a very long time. Be careful with appeals to tradition. The world doesn't exactly work the way it did a long time ago, so we are not preparing kids for the same life they were expected to experience back then.
- bigfishrunning 3y ago
  It's a strange world. My school district gave my kindergartner (5) a laptop.
- 3y ago

pesfandiar 3y ago

I shuddered at that. There are times that parents have to resort to screen time to entertain children (e.g. a long train ride), but there are many other less harmful options than adverts or gambling-adjacent games.