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How is Germany "unable to cope with the current electricity demand"? People use solar power to power their EVs here (We have solar power but no car).

epolanski 3y ago
That's a cherry picked stat, isn't it? Your country is also increasing its coal output and the output of energy produced by coal in double digits and out wiping villages such as Lutzerah to create some of the biggest coal mines in the world. Yes, you are energy starved too. Also, how there's no EVs? From all WV brands including Skoda to luxury makers from Mercedes to Porsche, *all* of your automakers have multiple EVs sitting in your dealerships.
- ben_bai 3y ago
  Also, 30% of new car purchases in 2023 were EVs (in Germany)
- Tade0 3y ago
  > Your country is also increasing its coal output and the output of energy produced by coal in double digits That's only true if you look at the data from 2020 onwards. In reality coal usage for electricity, regardless of type, peaked years ago and never recovered: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig2-gross-power-production-germany-1990-2022.png https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...
pbmonster 3y ago
Electricity is over 30 ct/kWh in Germany, and short-term, they will be unable to offer it much cheaper. Does that mean black-outs and people not getting electricity? No, but at those prices, heavy industry like steel mills and aluminum foundries will have to move abroad. And it won't get better with the numbers of EVs on the roads going up. Germany burns around 50M tons of gasoline per year. If you want to replace that with electricity, you need to install tens of gigawatts of additional powerplant capacity - and that's not "peak capacity" renewable plants advertise. Real, 24h-capacity. And that's not looking good, either. Thanks to all the NIMBYs, the actual number of megawatt turbines being built is shameful.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  About half of that is taxes and they are currently proposing to drop it to the minimum allowed under EU rules > The absolute bottom rate for electricity taxation is €0.5 per Megawatt-hour (MWh) compared to today’s rate of €20.5 per MWh – meaning the envisaged reduction could reach about 95%. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/berlin-considers-slashing-electricity-tax-by-95-to-boost-heat-pump-uptake/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/ber...
theshrike79 3y ago
Switching from "scary" nuclear to coal isn't the smart move at all. Solar is intermittent at best and a bunch of your energy is still reliant on natural gas. But it seems that the German government is doing the smart thing and subsidising local solar installations.

epolanski 3y ago

That's a cherry picked stat, isn't it? Your country is also increasing its coal output and the output of energy produced by coal in double digits and out wiping villages such as Lutzerah to create some of the biggest coal mines in the world. Yes, you are energy starved too. Also, how there's no EVs? From all WV brands including Skoda to luxury makers from Mercedes to Porsche, *all* of your automakers have multiple EVs sitting in your dealerships.

ben_bai 3y ago
Also, 30% of new car purchases in 2023 were EVs (in Germany)
Tade0 3y ago
> Your country is also increasing its coal output and the output of energy produced by coal in double digits That's only true if you look at the data from 2020 onwards. In reality coal usage for electricity, regardless of type, peaked years ago and never recovered: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig2-gross-power-production-germany-1990-2022.png https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

pbmonster 3y ago

Electricity is over 30 ct/kWh in Germany, and short-term, they will be unable to offer it much cheaper. Does that mean black-outs and people not getting electricity? No, but at those prices, heavy industry like steel mills and aluminum foundries will have to move abroad. And it won't get better with the numbers of EVs on the roads going up. Germany burns around 50M tons of gasoline per year. If you want to replace that with electricity, you need to install tens of gigawatts of additional powerplant capacity - and that's not "peak capacity" renewable plants advertise. Real, 24h-capacity. And that's not looking good, either. Thanks to all the NIMBYs, the actual number of megawatt turbines being built is shameful.

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
About half of that is taxes and they are currently proposing to drop it to the minimum allowed under EU rules > The absolute bottom rate for electricity taxation is €0.5 per Megawatt-hour (MWh) compared to today’s rate of €20.5 per MWh – meaning the envisaged reduction could reach about 95%. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/berlin-considers-slashing-electricity-tax-by-95-to-boost-heat-pump-uptake/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/ber...

theshrike79 3y ago

Switching from "scary" nuclear to coal isn't the smart move at all. Solar is intermittent at best and a bunch of your energy is still reliant on natural gas. But it seems that the German government is doing the smart thing and subsidising local solar installations.