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> I think the time has come when android and ios should make a special versions of their online shops for children and teenagers and simply ban those types of g

> I think the time has come when android and ios should make a special versions of their online shops for children and teenagers and simply ban those types of games from those shops. IMHO this shouldn't [have to] be any of Apple or Google's business. It's a parent's responsibility to parent their child, not some conglomerate's.

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RhodesianHunter 3y ago
>It's a parent's responsibility to parent their child Most won't. Call it lack of time or attention, ignorance of the problem, apathy... ultimately parents can't be aware of everything. We have shit like micro plastics in the water to contend with. What's the effect on society?
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  Every time you stack on more crap to worry about, more parents will fail to do the right thing. That’s just how life is. Policing electronics and internet access is a huge pain in the ass that wasn’t a concern at all, not that long ago, and more-recently was a ton easier than it is now. I don’t even control all the devices in my house, some belong to the kids’ schools that for some reason won’t stop giving them goddamn computers. I can solve these problems but it’s a big pain, and most parents realistically cannot. It doesn’t help that all parental controls are pretty bad, usually for no good reason.
- Damogran6 3y ago
  It's an easy statement to make: "Parents take care of your kids" Which is interestingly subverted by "Can't raise my kids if we don't have enough money to eat" leading to both parents working, sometimes multiple jobs, and the kids left to their own devices/daycare The older I get, the more I'm reminded pat/easy/black and white solutions just flat don't exist.
alibarber 3y ago
The fact that I'm in my 30s and still have to sometimes show ID to buy booze points to the fact that society doesn't really agree.
kalleboo 3y ago
Societies have been raising their young collectively since time immortal
aziaziazi 3y ago
You need car manufacturers that propose models with seatbelts so you can choose a safe option. After some years anyone agrees seatbelts are great and then they become required. Responsible parents could choose a platform over another based on what they want for their children but that’s only possible if this option exist. It’s a mental health issue versus free market business, and we know what side wins when it’s not regulated.
Zagitta 3y ago
Apple lost that "shouldn't have to" when they decided to parent society by using theft as an excuse to serialize parts and prevent third party repairs.
kawhah 3y ago
Do you think that it should be legal, or illegal, for people to sell drugs to teenagers? Genuine question.
- xcdzvyn 3y ago
  Genuine answer! You've made me reconsider quite a lot, actually. Intuitively I'd say yes, it should be legal to do that. But then, I would consider that a violation of property, because really, a child is unlikely to understand the consequences of a herion addiction. But then I suppose nobody addicted to herion really understands the consequences of addiction, or they wouldn't buy herion. Which almost makes me reconsider my entire political standpoint. So thanks! I can't answer your question, but I assure you, you have me thinking.
  - IntrepidWorm 3y ago
    To be perfectly clear, most addicts understand that their addiction is killing then, but caring about that pales in comparison to the addictive urge to continue using. It's not some cerebral choice- once addicted, you are no longer in control of your body, or it's urges. With that said, we as a society do have a responsibility to protect children - free access to heroin (for instance) would be incredibly harmful to children, who have not formed the ability to properly assess risk. Allowing for unfettered access to heroin for adults is much more complicated. Given how easy it is for most adults in America to access the drug, I would argue we are already contending with many of the complicated factors of unrestricted access already. How to deal with those problems is something I don't have many good answers for.
    - xcdzvyn 3y ago
      > most addicts understand that their addiction is killing them Of course, yeah, I meant it more in the "no rational actor would choose to use heroin" sense :)
      - IntrepidWorm 3y ago
        We're all irrational actors, though. Various life events drive people towards drug use. It doesnt have to be a rational decision: a split second moment of desperation is all it takes. And heroin is just _that_ addictive.
jasonjayr 3y ago
Google + Apple's responsibility as store operators is to label clearly + unambiguously the features of the product they are selling. If the apps offer gambling real money for in-game progress, they should say that upfront.
mihaic 3y ago
Children become the people I have to share society with. If their education drops bellow a certain level I'll be affected. It might sounds like a 19th century preacher talking, but it's in everyone's interest that your fellow citizens aren't tempted into vices. It really makes for a shitty society when everyone is gambling and addicted to brain altering substances.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  Ah, but you only notice it if you yourself is not addicted to the aforementioned brain-altering substances. Please take the blue pill and stop straying from the line already.
meristohm 3y ago
I upvoted this comment because it seems like an opinion that is not uncommon, and I want this visible so others reading the responses have some context. I do not agree with the opinion that the only responsibility with child-raising lies with the parent. Schools, businesses, government, random people on the street; my opinion is that it would be best if we all felt an obligation to help young people learn and grow into healthy adults. If not an obligation, then at least a shared value. There are so many people I will never meet, and it still feels right to support their well-being. I could see this perspective still being a selfish one, based on my experiences around the world and feeling enriched by a diversity of cultures and perspectives.
pierat 3y ago
Not today, Reagan. Deregulation is not the answer. Its a bad hack to claim "personal responsibility" on societal systemic issues. Gambling, and control and regulation of, is one of those societal systemic problems that can kill communities.

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RhodesianHunter 3y ago

>It's a parent's responsibility to parent their child Most won't. Call it lack of time or attention, ignorance of the problem, apathy... ultimately parents can't be aware of everything. We have shit like micro plastics in the water to contend with. What's the effect on society?

hotnfresh 3y ago
Every time you stack on more crap to worry about, more parents will fail to do the right thing. That’s just how life is. Policing electronics and internet access is a huge pain in the ass that wasn’t a concern at all, not that long ago, and more-recently was a ton easier than it is now. I don’t even control all the devices in my house, some belong to the kids’ schools that for some reason won’t stop giving them goddamn computers. I can solve these problems but it’s a big pain, and most parents realistically cannot. It doesn’t help that all parental controls are pretty bad, usually for no good reason.
Damogran6 3y ago
It's an easy statement to make: "Parents take care of your kids" Which is interestingly subverted by "Can't raise my kids if we don't have enough money to eat" leading to both parents working, sometimes multiple jobs, and the kids left to their own devices/daycare The older I get, the more I'm reminded pat/easy/black and white solutions just flat don't exist.

alibarber 3y ago

The fact that I'm in my 30s and still have to sometimes show ID to buy booze points to the fact that society doesn't really agree.

kalleboo 3y ago

Societies have been raising their young collectively since time immortal

aziaziazi 3y ago

You need car manufacturers that propose models with seatbelts so you can choose a safe option. After some years anyone agrees seatbelts are great and then they become required. Responsible parents could choose a platform over another based on what they want for their children but that’s only possible if this option exist. It’s a mental health issue versus free market business, and we know what side wins when it’s not regulated.

Zagitta 3y ago

Apple lost that "shouldn't have to" when they decided to parent society by using theft as an excuse to serialize parts and prevent third party repairs.

kawhah 3y ago

Do you think that it should be legal, or illegal, for people to sell drugs to teenagers? Genuine question.

xcdzvyn 3y ago
Genuine answer! You've made me reconsider quite a lot, actually. Intuitively I'd say yes, it should be legal to do that. But then, I would consider that a violation of property, because really, a child is unlikely to understand the consequences of a herion addiction. But then I suppose nobody addicted to herion really understands the consequences of addiction, or they wouldn't buy herion. Which almost makes me reconsider my entire political standpoint. So thanks! I can't answer your question, but I assure you, you have me thinking.
- IntrepidWorm 3y ago
  To be perfectly clear, most addicts understand that their addiction is killing then, but caring about that pales in comparison to the addictive urge to continue using. It's not some cerebral choice- once addicted, you are no longer in control of your body, or it's urges. With that said, we as a society do have a responsibility to protect children - free access to heroin (for instance) would be incredibly harmful to children, who have not formed the ability to properly assess risk. Allowing for unfettered access to heroin for adults is much more complicated. Given how easy it is for most adults in America to access the drug, I would argue we are already contending with many of the complicated factors of unrestricted access already. How to deal with those problems is something I don't have many good answers for.
  - xcdzvyn 3y ago
    > most addicts understand that their addiction is killing them Of course, yeah, I meant it more in the "no rational actor would choose to use heroin" sense :)
    - IntrepidWorm 3y ago
      We're all irrational actors, though. Various life events drive people towards drug use. It doesnt have to be a rational decision: a split second moment of desperation is all it takes. And heroin is just _that_ addictive.

jasonjayr 3y ago

Google + Apple's responsibility as store operators is to label clearly + unambiguously the features of the product they are selling. If the apps offer gambling real money for in-game progress, they should say that upfront.

mihaic 3y ago

Children become the people I have to share society with. If their education drops bellow a certain level I'll be affected. It might sounds like a 19th century preacher talking, but it's in everyone's interest that your fellow citizens aren't tempted into vices. It really makes for a shitty society when everyone is gambling and addicted to brain altering substances.

Joker_vD 3y ago
Ah, but you only notice it if you yourself is not addicted to the aforementioned brain-altering substances. Please take the blue pill and stop straying from the line already.

meristohm 3y ago

I upvoted this comment because it seems like an opinion that is not uncommon, and I want this visible so others reading the responses have some context. I do not agree with the opinion that the only responsibility with child-raising lies with the parent. Schools, businesses, government, random people on the street; my opinion is that it would be best if we all felt an obligation to help young people learn and grow into healthy adults. If not an obligation, then at least a shared value. There are so many people I will never meet, and it still feels right to support their well-being. I could see this perspective still being a selfish one, based on my experiences around the world and feeling enriched by a diversity of cultures and perspectives.

pierat 3y ago

Not today, Reagan. Deregulation is not the answer. Its a bad hack to claim "personal responsibility" on societal systemic issues. Gambling, and control and regulation of, is one of those societal systemic problems that can kill communities.