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It really is that bad now. I recently got a new phone to replace my Pixel 3 that's no longer receiving updates, and it took days to sort out all the "you must

It really is that bad now. I recently got a new phone to replace my Pixel 3 that's no longer receiving updates, and it took days to sort out all the "you must verify this device from your old device" bullshit. These apps are essential to banking, and also to my workplace (I had to call the IT department from one of my devices that thankfully didn't yet have an expired session). And this is when I HAVE my old device. Imagine the chaos if my old device were lost or broken? Or if google suddenly decided to lock my account? What do I use my phone for? Communication (Signal, Threema), 2fa, and work, and nothing else. And it's a disaster waiting to happen.

xethos 3y ago
> What do I use my phone for? Communication (Signal, Threema), 2fa, and work, and nothing else Sounds like a combination of reasons to switch (or bridge) to Matrix, use a 2FA program you can back up (such as Gnome Authenticator) and a problem for the IT guys at your workplace for your work-provided mobile :)
- kstenerud 3y ago
  Sorry, no, that's just not how the real world works. Matrix is an interesting idea that might even get there someday, but it's not there now, and won't be there next year. And even then, it's only one breaking change away from not working with some communications app I need. And my workplace isn't going to provide a mobile just for the 2fa apps (multiple) I need, nor would I want to have to carry an extra device just for that. It's a fragmented world out there, and going with an even more obscure and less supported solution isn't going to cut it.
  - Arathorn 3y ago
    (I'd argue that it /is/ there now, as of last week: https://element.io/blog/element-x-ignition https://element.io/blog/element-x-ignition. And should certainly be there next year. But i'm biased :)
    - kstenerud 3y ago
      Then of course, there's this: https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07

xethos 3y ago

> What do I use my phone for? Communication (Signal, Threema), 2fa, and work, and nothing else Sounds like a combination of reasons to switch (or bridge) to Matrix, use a 2FA program you can back up (such as Gnome Authenticator) and a problem for the IT guys at your workplace for your work-provided mobile :)

kstenerud 3y ago
Sorry, no, that's just not how the real world works. Matrix is an interesting idea that might even get there someday, but it's not there now, and won't be there next year. And even then, it's only one breaking change away from not working with some communications app I need. And my workplace isn't going to provide a mobile just for the 2fa apps (multiple) I need, nor would I want to have to carry an extra device just for that. It's a fragmented world out there, and going with an even more obscure and less supported solution isn't going to cut it.
- Arathorn 3y ago
  (I'd argue that it /is/ there now, as of last week: https://element.io/blog/element-x-ignition https://element.io/blog/element-x-ignition. And should certainly be there next year. But i'm biased :)
  - kstenerud 3y ago
    Then of course, there's this: https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07