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I was confused by this article in the beginning, it does a pretty bad job at drawing a distinction between the pure quadlet example at the start and the example

I was confused by this article in the beginning, it does a pretty bad job at drawing a distinction between the pure quadlet example at the start and the example of using CoreOS to build and launch a VM that starts containers. The basic usage of podman quadlets is putting an `app.container` in `/etc/containers/systemd/` containing something like the first snippet and then starting the unit. For someone familiar with systemd, this seems very very nice to work with.

imiric 3y ago
I'm still not clear whether quadlets are a feature of Podman or systemd... The reliance on systemd is an issue on its own. Much has been said about its intrusion in all aspects of Linux, and I still prefer using distros without it. How can I use this on, say, Void Linux? Standalone Podman does work there, but I'm not familiar if there were some hacks needed to make it work with runit, and if more would be needed for this quadlet feature.
- gigatexal 3y ago
  I mean the best part about open source and Linux is that you have choice. Do you want to run an OS devoid of SystemD? Fine. Will you be going against the tide and leaving a large part of the ecosystem behind? Yup. I’ve chosen to embrace systemd and learn it as it is the defacto standard it seems rather than fight what I think is a futile war against it. That being said. I won’t force you to use it if you don’t. But I do not see quadlets using systemd as a failing.
  - hexo 3y ago
    systemd is extremely intrusive. anything dependent on it is a failure.
    - memefrog 3y ago
      [dead]
    - voidnap 3y ago
      This is such a bizarre comment. I run systemd a number of Linux machines currently but does that mean they are failing? Is taking advantage of systemd's features a failure? They run and do their function so in what sense are they failing or what does failure mean?
    - figmert 3y ago
      By my calculations, considering much of the world runs on RH/Ubuntu/Debian, all of which use systemd, things depending on systemd are far from being a failure, cos they'll run on the majority of systems.
      - hexo 3y ago
        https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/25376 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/25376
      - hexo 3y ago
        systemd is a festival of power centralization and bad design. quite opposite of what linux should be.
- yrro 3y ago
  "quadlets" are podman using systemd's extension mechanism [systemd.generator(7)] to create systemd services that invoke podman to run containers, based on the files you drop into /etc/containers/systemd.

imiric 3y ago

I'm still not clear whether quadlets are a feature of Podman or systemd... The reliance on systemd is an issue on its own. Much has been said about its intrusion in all aspects of Linux, and I still prefer using distros without it. How can I use this on, say, Void Linux? Standalone Podman does work there, but I'm not familiar if there were some hacks needed to make it work with runit, and if more would be needed for this quadlet feature.

gigatexal 3y ago
I mean the best part about open source and Linux is that you have choice. Do you want to run an OS devoid of SystemD? Fine. Will you be going against the tide and leaving a large part of the ecosystem behind? Yup. I’ve chosen to embrace systemd and learn it as it is the defacto standard it seems rather than fight what I think is a futile war against it. That being said. I won’t force you to use it if you don’t. But I do not see quadlets using systemd as a failing.
- hexo 3y ago
  systemd is extremely intrusive. anything dependent on it is a failure.
  - memefrog 3y ago
    [dead]
  - voidnap 3y ago
    This is such a bizarre comment. I run systemd a number of Linux machines currently but does that mean they are failing? Is taking advantage of systemd's features a failure? They run and do their function so in what sense are they failing or what does failure mean?
  - figmert 3y ago
    By my calculations, considering much of the world runs on RH/Ubuntu/Debian, all of which use systemd, things depending on systemd are far from being a failure, cos they'll run on the majority of systems.
    - hexo 3y ago
      https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/25376 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/25376
    - hexo 3y ago
      systemd is a festival of power centralization and bad design. quite opposite of what linux should be.
yrro 3y ago
"quadlets" are podman using systemd's extension mechanism [systemd.generator(7)] to create systemd services that invoke podman to run containers, based on the files you drop into /etc/containers/systemd.