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It would make sense that russia has ability to destroy roads, and airbases, but why aren't they using these effectively when attacking Ukraine? It's a lot small

by rnk 3y ago

It would make sense that russia has ability to destroy roads, and airbases, but why aren't they using these effectively when attacking Ukraine? It's a lot smaller than all of Europe, should be easier to figure it out.

konart 3y ago
Initially Russian expectations missed the reality. The was no "one week of bombing " fase. Then Russia had to spend enourmous ammouts of rockets\artillery (mostly due to lack of planning and lack of military education\experience in the army) to have at least some results. Right now Russia's abilities are very limited.
- risyachka 3y ago
  The main reason is that Russian military is rotten to the core, corrupt and has zero discipline (this has been the case for hundreds of years, probably due to mentality).
  - sacnoradhq 3y ago
    An associate of mine was a USAF Major who came into possession of a Soviet Belarussian MiG-21. He stashed it in a hangar in Germany and told absolutely no one outside his inner circle of war buddies about. The only person he ever showed if off to was a fairly high-up Russian who he mistakenly thought was "cool". Guess how long it was before the cockpit avionics were stolen, rendering it un-refurbishable? Sigh Never trust a Russian officer farther than you can throw them unless their name was Stanislav Petrov.
    - JuanPosadas 3y ago
      > Never trust a Russian officer Doesn't seem like a good story to backup this "lesson". What would happen if you showed a US Officer a (possibly missing) US Fighter jet in a hanger? Never trust a US Officer?
  - konart 3y ago
    I'd say it reason number two. Reason number one would be that serving in military is viewed as good old "conscript obligation"[1]. Or as a way to get money (in some regions serving was the only way to get decent money. some people would actually give bribes to get a contract). At the same time you learn nothing while in service (unless you are part of some elite force wich is a different story and they are few in number anyway). A classic thing about russian military: out of a platoon only 2-3 guys are often throw grenades during their time. Only to show them off before some general. While others just mind their own business. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_Russian_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_Russian_Em...
- 3seashells 3y ago
  RussiA was downgraded to RussiC during this conflict.
helpfulContrib 3y ago
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- _kbh_ 3y ago
  We have literally seen some of Russias most advanced equipment and most elite units, sent to and decimated in Ukraine. They are fighting an all-out war, and if they aren't they are idiots considering how much of Russian territory and occupied Ukrainian territory has a tendency to explode suddenly.
  - helpfulContrib 3y ago
    You don't want your enemy to believe you are strong, when you are strong. You want them to think you are weak, when you are strong. It is highly specious to mis-underestimate ones enemies. Western military planners are not mis-underestimating Russias' capabilities - that task is left to their media wing, to sell the public on yet more war debt. The belief that Russia is weak serves to sell more weapons - it does not necessarily reflect the fact that Russia has held a majority of its elite units, in reserve, and is not - yet - fighting an all-out war.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      I never said Russia is weak I just said that they aren't holding anything back and that they are clearly using their most modern weapons and defences and are still getting wiped out in droves.
      - helpfulContrib 3y ago
        Maybe your understanding would benefit from referring to their actual doctrine: https://www.cna.org/archive/CNA_Files/pdf/russian-military-strategy-core-tenets-and-operational-concepts.pdf https://www.cna.org/archive/CNA_Files/pdf/russian-military-s...
        _kbh_ 3y ago
sacnoradhq 3y ago
The Russian military is stuck executing a random terror campaign against the populace and defending being pushed out of Crimea, Kharkiv, and Donetsk. The reason is cost. They cannot afford an all-out offensive in bodies, bullets, mortars, or SRBMs.

by rnk 3y ago

konart 3y ago

Initially Russian expectations missed the reality. The was no "one week of bombing " fase. Then Russia had to spend enourmous ammouts of rockets\artillery (mostly due to lack of planning and lack of military education\experience in the army) to have at least some results. Right now Russia's abilities are very limited.

risyachka 3y ago
The main reason is that Russian military is rotten to the core, corrupt and has zero discipline (this has been the case for hundreds of years, probably due to mentality).
- sacnoradhq 3y ago
  An associate of mine was a USAF Major who came into possession of a Soviet Belarussian MiG-21. He stashed it in a hangar in Germany and told absolutely no one outside his inner circle of war buddies about. The only person he ever showed if off to was a fairly high-up Russian who he mistakenly thought was "cool". Guess how long it was before the cockpit avionics were stolen, rendering it un-refurbishable? Sigh Never trust a Russian officer farther than you can throw them unless their name was Stanislav Petrov.
  - JuanPosadas 3y ago
    > Never trust a Russian officer Doesn't seem like a good story to backup this "lesson". What would happen if you showed a US Officer a (possibly missing) US Fighter jet in a hanger? Never trust a US Officer?
- konart 3y ago
  I'd say it reason number two. Reason number one would be that serving in military is viewed as good old "conscript obligation"[1]. Or as a way to get money (in some regions serving was the only way to get decent money. some people would actually give bribes to get a contract). At the same time you learn nothing while in service (unless you are part of some elite force wich is a different story and they are few in number anyway). A classic thing about russian military: out of a platoon only 2-3 guys are often throw grenades during their time. Only to show them off before some general. While others just mind their own business. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_Russian_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_Russian_Em...
3seashells 3y ago
RussiA was downgraded to RussiC during this conflict.

helpfulContrib 3y ago

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_kbh_ 3y ago
We have literally seen some of Russias most advanced equipment and most elite units, sent to and decimated in Ukraine. They are fighting an all-out war, and if they aren't they are idiots considering how much of Russian territory and occupied Ukrainian territory has a tendency to explode suddenly.
- helpfulContrib 3y ago
  You don't want your enemy to believe you are strong, when you are strong. You want them to think you are weak, when you are strong. It is highly specious to mis-underestimate ones enemies. Western military planners are not mis-underestimating Russias' capabilities - that task is left to their media wing, to sell the public on yet more war debt. The belief that Russia is weak serves to sell more weapons - it does not necessarily reflect the fact that Russia has held a majority of its elite units, in reserve, and is not - yet - fighting an all-out war.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    I never said Russia is weak I just said that they aren't holding anything back and that they are clearly using their most modern weapons and defences and are still getting wiped out in droves.
    - helpfulContrib 3y ago
      Maybe your understanding would benefit from referring to their actual doctrine: https://www.cna.org/archive/CNA_Files/pdf/russian-military-strategy-core-tenets-and-operational-concepts.pdf https://www.cna.org/archive/CNA_Files/pdf/russian-military-s...
      - _kbh_ 3y ago

sacnoradhq 3y ago

The Russian military is stuck executing a random terror campaign against the populace and defending being pushed out of Crimea, Kharkiv, and Donetsk. The reason is cost. They cannot afford an all-out offensive in bodies, bullets, mortars, or SRBMs.