> Using 'real' as the goal kind of misses the point It misses the point of the question "is math real"? Tbf, i am actually sympathetic to the position that "r

> Using 'real' as the goal kind of misses the point It misses the point of the question "is math real"? Tbf, i am actually sympathetic to the position that "realness" is not really relavent or a well defined term when it comes to what is basically a descriptive language of patterns and relations. But "is it real" is the question we started the thread on.