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> I've never heard "web 1.0 guy" as a pejorative Web 2.0 replaced Web 1.0, right? Is that because Web 1.0 was better or just as good? Or was that because Web 2

by 22289d 3y ago

> I've never heard "web 1.0 guy" as a pejorative Web 2.0 replaced Web 1.0, right? Is that because Web 1.0 was better or just as good? Or was that because Web 2.0 was an improvement? And we're a good decade or so beyond Web 2.0 now. Surely you're familiar with the term dinosaur in this context. Web 1.0 are the dinosaurs. If you still think web 1.0 doesn't have any negative connotations there is nothing I can say to change your mind. But I strongly disagree.

oooyay 3y ago
You do realize that Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 aren't that far apart in time, right? Tim Berners-Lee invented the web 1.0 when he was in his thirties in 1989. Tim O'Reilly and Dale Doughterty, both in their 40s, coined the concept of Web 2.0 in 2004. Tim Berners-Lee, then in his 50s, coined the semantic or executable web aka Web 3.0 in 2006. Web 4.0 has no known origin, but the chase for artificial intelligence and machine learning was led by many of the same people from Web 1.0 from engineers to thought leaders. Many of the people who were building back then are only now beginning to peak in their careers. Not to mention, the guy you're talking about would be "Web 3.0" because the company he founded was in 2007 - pretty much the year cloud computing started. I think, sadly, you're incredibly far down the rabbit hole of ageism. Ref: https://ijcsit.com/docs/Volume%205/vol5issue06/ijcsit20140506265.pdf https://ijcsit.com/docs/Volume%205/vol5issue06/ijcsit2014050...
- 22289d 3y ago
  > I think, sadly, you're incredibly far down the rabbit hole of ageism. That doesn't make me wrong. Is it ageism to say I'd rather have a 23 year old baseball player than a 60 year old one? What about a 23 year old model instead of a 60 year old model? Ageism? Ok. Then I'm an ageist. I'll take the 23 year olds. 'But being a model or a baseball player and working at a tech company are not the same thing' Ya, I know. But the point stands. Crying ageism doesn't make you right or the person appealing to age wrong.
  - louthy 3y ago
    > That doesn't make me wrong. Yeah, it does. Just like racism and sexism, being ageist is wrong. You should really re-asses how you look at the world, because your current view stinks. > Is it ageism to say I'd rather have a 23 year old baseball player than a 60 year old one? What about a 23 year old model instead of a 60 year old model? Ageism? Ok. Then I'm an ageist. I'll take the 23 year olds. There are 60 year old models, what is wrong with that? Only somebody who is ageist thinks somebody can't be model at 60. As for the baseball player, they are not discriminated by age, but by physical condition. If a 60 year old player could have the same physical impact as a 23 year old, then why not? When it comes to the industry we're in, physical condition is not a discriminator. We are knowledge workers. Older workers tend to (not always) have much more knowledge and experience. Which is why they are paid more and end up in leadership positions (as in this case). Your comments assume that the guy stopped learning in 1989. How do you know that he's not keeping up with the times? How do you know that he can't understand the modern world, as you imply? And do you even know what it means to be an executive? It doesn't mean knowing all the latest features of the React. It means setting a strategy (with fellow executives) for successful growth of the business. These things are as old as time (well, as old as capitalism). Having a talented CTO paired with a shrewd/experienced CEO is a good setup. It doesn't guarantee success, but it's more likely to succeed than with inexperienced executives. Here's another way of looking at it. Replace "old" in your original sentence with "black", "woman", or "gay": - Now it's some black Web 1.0 guy who was the CEO of eFax in the 90's. - Now it's some Web 1.0 woman who was the CEO of eFax in the 90's. - Now it's some gay Web 1.0 guy who was the CEO of eFax in the 90's. How do those sentences make you feel? Your comments are ageist and you should realise that discrimination is unacceptable. It would be wise to stop digging.

by 22289d 3y ago

oooyay 3y ago

You do realize that Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 aren't that far apart in time, right? Tim Berners-Lee invented the web 1.0 when he was in his thirties in 1989. Tim O'Reilly and Dale Doughterty, both in their 40s, coined the concept of Web 2.0 in 2004. Tim Berners-Lee, then in his 50s, coined the semantic or executable web aka Web 3.0 in 2006. Web 4.0 has no known origin, but the chase for artificial intelligence and machine learning was led by many of the same people from Web 1.0 from engineers to thought leaders. Many of the people who were building back then are only now beginning to peak in their careers. Not to mention, the guy you're talking about would be "Web 3.0" because the company he founded was in 2007 - pretty much the year cloud computing started. I think, sadly, you're incredibly far down the rabbit hole of ageism. Ref: https://ijcsit.com/docs/Volume%205/vol5issue06/ijcsit20140506265.pdf https://ijcsit.com/docs/Volume%205/vol5issue06/ijcsit2014050...

22289d 3y ago
> I think, sadly, you're incredibly far down the rabbit hole of ageism. That doesn't make me wrong. Is it ageism to say I'd rather have a 23 year old baseball player than a 60 year old one? What about a 23 year old model instead of a 60 year old model? Ageism? Ok. Then I'm an ageist. I'll take the 23 year olds. 'But being a model or a baseball player and working at a tech company are not the same thing' Ya, I know. But the point stands. Crying ageism doesn't make you right or the person appealing to age wrong.
- louthy 3y ago
  > That doesn't make me wrong. Yeah, it does. Just like racism and sexism, being ageist is wrong. You should really re-asses how you look at the world, because your current view stinks. > Is it ageism to say I'd rather have a 23 year old baseball player than a 60 year old one? What about a 23 year old model instead of a 60 year old model? Ageism? Ok. Then I'm an ageist. I'll take the 23 year olds. There are 60 year old models, what is wrong with that? Only somebody who is ageist thinks somebody can't be model at 60. As for the baseball player, they are not discriminated by age, but by physical condition. If a 60 year old player could have the same physical impact as a 23 year old, then why not? When it comes to the industry we're in, physical condition is not a discriminator. We are knowledge workers. Older workers tend to (not always) have much more knowledge and experience. Which is why they are paid more and end up in leadership positions (as in this case). Your comments assume that the guy stopped learning in 1989. How do you know that he's not keeping up with the times? How do you know that he can't understand the modern world, as you imply? And do you even know what it means to be an executive? It doesn't mean knowing all the latest features of the React. It means setting a strategy (with fellow executives) for successful growth of the business. These things are as old as time (well, as old as capitalism). Having a talented CTO paired with a shrewd/experienced CEO is a good setup. It doesn't guarantee success, but it's more likely to succeed than with inexperienced executives. Here's another way of looking at it. Replace "old" in your original sentence with "black", "woman", or "gay": - Now it's some black Web 1.0 guy who was the CEO of eFax in the 90's. - Now it's some Web 1.0 woman who was the CEO of eFax in the 90's. - Now it's some gay Web 1.0 guy who was the CEO of eFax in the 90's. How do those sentences make you feel? Your comments are ageist and you should realise that discrimination is unacceptable. It would be wise to stop digging.