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>Fez, for example, had pretty mediocre art. Are you in the camp that says the creator was an insufferable man that did a lot of damage to the credibility and l

>Fez, for example, had pretty mediocre art. Are you in the camp that says the creator was an insufferable man that did a lot of damage to the credibility and likeability of indie developers for years to come? I remember reading about that a while ago and it wasn't until the last 5 or so years that indies got back into magazine covers and such.

tiptup300 3y ago
Hard disagree, the only people who know of him probably respect indie game developers.
giobox 3y ago
> Are you in the camp that says the creator was an insufferable man that did a lot of damage to the credibility and likeability of indie developers for years to come? I can't agree with this assessment at all - the idea Phil Fish, "insufferable" or otherwise, somehow caused a lot of damage to "the credibility and likeability of indie developers for years to come" seems a bit absurd to me.
IntelMiner 3y ago
Phil Fish was personally an absolute manchild who had one single good mechanical idea and rode it until the wheels fell off Indie developers though by their very nature are an extremely varied bunch, and the things they make are a reflection of that
- astrange 3y ago
  His game was clearly inspired by an extremely good Japanese indie game (Cave Story), which makes his quote about all Japanese games being bad a strange thing to say. Funny enough the Wikipedia page for Fez hasn't noticed the inspiration either.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    I don't have a dog in this fight but I found Cave Story to be completely unfun.
fbdab103 3y ago
Artist is weird (and probably a real jerk). News at 11. It seems an enormous leap that one goofball did anything to damage the "credibility" of developers. How many people could name even a single indie designer?
gabereiser 3y ago
Not at all. I think Indie Game The Movie took a lot of liberties to show him a certain way. I think the stress of it all got to him and now he does other things. I’m more aquatinted with the programmer Renaud from back in the days. I think the media loves a juicy meltdown story and tried to make him a scapegoat for the indie game industry going mainstream. Indie games not on magazines says more about the indie games at the time, nothing more. How many times you going to feature Jonathan Blow? Was Phil Fish insufferable? I don’t know, never met him. Did he say some things that were not in alignment with my worldview? Yeah, sure. I do think Fez, the game, the wonderful spectacularly clever game, was the indie equivalent of a Mario brothers hit. The void I think you speak of was when XNA died, MonoGame wasn’t quite there yet, people jumped to Unity and it took them awhile to get up to speed in it. Others like me went off and wrote their own engines and stuff, others joined the ranks of the studios. I think Phil made the best game he could. That’s all that matters. Everything else is superfluous.

tiptup300 3y ago

Hard disagree, the only people who know of him probably respect indie game developers.

giobox 3y ago

> Are you in the camp that says the creator was an insufferable man that did a lot of damage to the credibility and likeability of indie developers for years to come? I can't agree with this assessment at all - the idea Phil Fish, "insufferable" or otherwise, somehow caused a lot of damage to "the credibility and likeability of indie developers for years to come" seems a bit absurd to me.

IntelMiner 3y ago

Phil Fish was personally an absolute manchild who had one single good mechanical idea and rode it until the wheels fell off Indie developers though by their very nature are an extremely varied bunch, and the things they make are a reflection of that

astrange 3y ago
His game was clearly inspired by an extremely good Japanese indie game (Cave Story), which makes his quote about all Japanese games being bad a strange thing to say. Funny enough the Wikipedia page for Fez hasn't noticed the inspiration either.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  I don't have a dog in this fight but I found Cave Story to be completely unfun.

fbdab103 3y ago

Artist is weird (and probably a real jerk). News at 11. It seems an enormous leap that one goofball did anything to damage the "credibility" of developers. How many people could name even a single indie designer?

gabereiser 3y ago

Not at all. I think Indie Game The Movie took a lot of liberties to show him a certain way. I think the stress of it all got to him and now he does other things. I’m more aquatinted with the programmer Renaud from back in the days. I think the media loves a juicy meltdown story and tried to make him a scapegoat for the indie game industry going mainstream. Indie games not on magazines says more about the indie games at the time, nothing more. How many times you going to feature Jonathan Blow? Was Phil Fish insufferable? I don’t know, never met him. Did he say some things that were not in alignment with my worldview? Yeah, sure. I do think Fez, the game, the wonderful spectacularly clever game, was the indie equivalent of a Mario brothers hit. The void I think you speak of was when XNA died, MonoGame wasn’t quite there yet, people jumped to Unity and it took them awhile to get up to speed in it. Others like me went off and wrote their own engines and stuff, others joined the ranks of the studios. I think Phil made the best game he could. That’s all that matters. Everything else is superfluous.