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re: UBI. I don't think they'll let us starve, but that's a very low bar. If we all become fungible and invaluable they can just feed us Soylent green.

by mhss 3y ago

whimsicalism 3y ago
Who is they?
- mhss 3y ago
  People that has enough money & wealth to employ others, control corporations who employ thousands and influence the government meaningfully (lobbying). Today, they basically control who is employed and who isn't by deciding how much to invest and in what. No, you cannot just choose to employ yourself in all circumstances. I'm all for being self-sufficient but not everyone can start a company (time and capital intensive, and very risky without a safety net).
  - pmarreck 3y ago
    If you don’t believe you can do a thing before you even try, then you’re correct, right out of the gate. (insert eyeroll emoji here) All your repeated uses of “they” points to a toxic external-locus-of-control worldview. You were always the only limit of yourself. Any other claim amounts to heretical self-dehumanization. You’re not fungible and never were, and anyone who tries to make you believe that deserves the utmost vehement pushback.
    - callwhendone 3y ago
      He's right though, there will never be as many opportunities to start companies as there will be to become a worker at a company. The window of opportunity is shrinking drastically. It doesn't matter if we're not fungible in the metaphysical sense, we are fungible when it comes to the economical value we provide to the world. This is no different than telling coal miners that are 50 years old to "learn to code". It's ridiculous and it's disingenuous.
    - kortex 3y ago
      > You’re not fungible and never were Sure as heck doesn't feel that way. And that's as a software developer with multiple college degrees and a decade of experience. The neurodivergence means I've always had to mask and be on guard and push well beyond my limits into physical/mental damage, because the fear of losing employment is ever-present. Feels pretty commoditized. > and anyone who tries to make you believe that deserves the utmost vehement pushback. The faceless corporations and their boards of investors who value "line go up" over basically every other metric of human wellbeing? Yes, they absolutely deserve pushback, but it's not easy (open source COTS guillotine plans, anyone?).
- realce 3y ago
  Whoever owns and control the bear, are you actually confused about that or is this just baiting?
tim333 3y ago
I think it may go like slave owning societies of old. We'll be the masters and have the robots do stuff. Perhaps.

re: UBI. I don't think they'll let us starve, but that's a very low bar. If we all become fungible and invaluable they can just feed us Soylent green.

by mhss 3y ago

re: UBI. I don't think they'll let us starve, but that's a very low bar. If we all become fungible and invaluable they can just feed us Soylent green.

whimsicalism 3y ago

Who is they?

mhss 3y ago
People that has enough money & wealth to employ others, control corporations who employ thousands and influence the government meaningfully (lobbying). Today, they basically control who is employed and who isn't by deciding how much to invest and in what. No, you cannot just choose to employ yourself in all circumstances. I'm all for being self-sufficient but not everyone can start a company (time and capital intensive, and very risky without a safety net).
- pmarreck 3y ago
  If you don’t believe you can do a thing before you even try, then you’re correct, right out of the gate. (insert eyeroll emoji here) All your repeated uses of “they” points to a toxic external-locus-of-control worldview. You were always the only limit of yourself. Any other claim amounts to heretical self-dehumanization. You’re not fungible and never were, and anyone who tries to make you believe that deserves the utmost vehement pushback.
  - callwhendone 3y ago
    He's right though, there will never be as many opportunities to start companies as there will be to become a worker at a company. The window of opportunity is shrinking drastically. It doesn't matter if we're not fungible in the metaphysical sense, we are fungible when it comes to the economical value we provide to the world. This is no different than telling coal miners that are 50 years old to "learn to code". It's ridiculous and it's disingenuous.
  - kortex 3y ago
    > You’re not fungible and never were Sure as heck doesn't feel that way. And that's as a software developer with multiple college degrees and a decade of experience. The neurodivergence means I've always had to mask and be on guard and push well beyond my limits into physical/mental damage, because the fear of losing employment is ever-present. Feels pretty commoditized. > and anyone who tries to make you believe that deserves the utmost vehement pushback. The faceless corporations and their boards of investors who value "line go up" over basically every other metric of human wellbeing? Yes, they absolutely deserve pushback, but it's not easy (open source COTS guillotine plans, anyone?).
realce 3y ago
Whoever owns and control the bear, are you actually confused about that or is this just baiting?

tim333 3y ago

I think it may go like slave owning societies of old. We'll be the masters and have the robots do stuff. Perhaps.