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> It's not worth the risk. You want to self-medicate? Do it with chemicals produced inside your body. Meditate, do a triathlon, lift weights, become a health-fo

> It's not worth the risk. You want to self-medicate? Do it with chemicals produced inside your body. Meditate, do a triathlon, lift weights, become a health-food nut, get some sun, find some opportunity for socialization, do that sauna + cold plunge thing, whatever. Wow, silly me! If only I had’ve known that my crippling depression, anxiety, and fuck knows what else could be solved by lifting weights and getting some sun. It’s evidently clear you aren’t, and have never, suffered from severe mental illness. With all due respect, please step off. You don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about. I went vegan. Got jacked. Ran 20 miles a week. It didn’t help in the slightest. I was fit, healthy, and depressed as fuck. None of that had anywhere near the same effect as a single bump. So forgive me if “safety” isn’t my paramount concern when every waking moment is a nightmare.

FredPret 3y ago
I said do not SELF medicate. If you need medication, get it from a professional. For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. This should be the first thing everyone tries.
- mdorazio 3y ago
  > For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. You seem to be completely out of touch with reality and I envy the charmed life you must have led.
  - FredPret 3y ago
    "Regular exercise can boost your mood if you have depression, and it's especially useful for people with mild to moderate depression." https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-activities/exercise-for-depression/ https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-... "Exercise is as effective as antidepressants in some cases." - https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-... "Depression and anxiety: Exercise eases symptoms" https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/depression-and-exercise/art-20046495 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in... For serious cases that can't be helped by exercise, there is professional help, including medication. For no cases at all are illegal drugs / self-medication the answer. For anything that ever goes wrong with a complex, self-adjusting system, we should start with light-touch interventions that align with the natural pathways of that system. Serious interventions are for serious problems only.
    - broscillator 3y ago
      "as effective as antidepressants" does not say much at all, antidepressants are very tricky "boost your mood" has almost nothing to do with depression, depression runs a lot deeper. Have you ever been depressed? Have you ever taken psychedelics?
      - FredPret 3y ago
        Am I speaking in riddles? What part is hard to understand? 0. Do not self-medicate with illegal drugs. Bro science is best avoided when it comes to the brain. 1. Try exercise. Did it work? Good! The vast majority of sad people get happier with exercise. Did it not work? Go to step 2! 2. See a professional who might medicate you, including psychedelics.
        broscillator 3y ago
        You are, I asked simple questions and you dodged them, which leads me to conclude you don't have first hand experience with either psychedelics or depression. 0. Do not drive a car. You could get into an accident. 1. Try walking. Did you reach your destination? Good. Did you not? Go to step 2! 2. Hire a professional driver who might drive you. This is what fear mongering looks like.

FredPret 3y ago

I said do not SELF medicate. If you need medication, get it from a professional. For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. This should be the first thing everyone tries.

mdorazio 3y ago
> For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. You seem to be completely out of touch with reality and I envy the charmed life you must have led.
- FredPret 3y ago
  "Regular exercise can boost your mood if you have depression, and it's especially useful for people with mild to moderate depression." https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-activities/exercise-for-depression/ https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-... "Exercise is as effective as antidepressants in some cases." - https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-... "Depression and anxiety: Exercise eases symptoms" https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/depression-and-exercise/art-20046495 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in... For serious cases that can't be helped by exercise, there is professional help, including medication. For no cases at all are illegal drugs / self-medication the answer. For anything that ever goes wrong with a complex, self-adjusting system, we should start with light-touch interventions that align with the natural pathways of that system. Serious interventions are for serious problems only.
  - broscillator 3y ago
    "as effective as antidepressants" does not say much at all, antidepressants are very tricky "boost your mood" has almost nothing to do with depression, depression runs a lot deeper. Have you ever been depressed? Have you ever taken psychedelics?
    - FredPret 3y ago
      Am I speaking in riddles? What part is hard to understand? 0. Do not self-medicate with illegal drugs. Bro science is best avoided when it comes to the brain. 1. Try exercise. Did it work? Good! The vast majority of sad people get happier with exercise. Did it not work? Go to step 2! 2. See a professional who might medicate you, including psychedelics.
      - broscillator 3y ago
        You are, I asked simple questions and you dodged them, which leads me to conclude you don't have first hand experience with either psychedelics or depression. 0. Do not drive a car. You could get into an accident. 1. Try walking. Did you reach your destination? Good. Did you not? Go to step 2! 2. Hire a professional driver who might drive you. This is what fear mongering looks like.