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Of course everyone agrees with OP's post. It's been dead for a while. We've been trying to convince Apache leadership to kill it forever. The problem is that th

Of course everyone agrees with OP's post. It's been dead for a while. We've been trying to convince Apache leadership to kill it forever. The problem is that the ASF is fundamentally broken. It's just a fake 501(c)(3) which actually runs like a 501(c)(6) -- which serves corporate interests, and it should be shutdown. All their projects are just about serving corporations instead of the public good, as legally required under the tax code for this organization.

TRiG_Ireland 3y ago
> It's just a fake 501(c)(3) which actually runs like a 501(c)(6). Not everyone is familiar with the nuances of your country's tax codes. Would you care to interpret that?
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  A 501(c)(3) is a non-profit organization that exists to serve the public good. A 501(c)(6) is a non-profit organization that exists to serve its membership. So like a bunch of businesses in a city get together to form an organization that works for their common good. The business organization doesn't make a profit, each individual business makes a profit and pays their taxes. A 501(c)(3) has a lot more restrictions than a 501(c)(6), so you might wonder why a 501(c)(6) would want to be organized as a 501(c)(3). Well, that's because donations to a 501(c)(3) are tax deductible and donations to a 501(c)(6) are not. So basically, tax avoidance by the people contributing to the organization. If those same people are the ones that created/run the organization, you might even claim that it is criminal tax fraud (I am not making that claim - I don't know enough about the ASF to have an opinion). But keep in mind that the amount of money that ASF brings in and/or spends each year is basically nothing compared to what WikiMedia or Mozilla deals with. I'm not sure that these corporations would go to the effort for such a tiny amount of money. Maybe it started out with good intentions, and has slowly evolved to be worthless from a public good standpoint.
  - TRiG_Ireland 3y ago
    Thanks. I follow what you're saying now.
- fragmede 3y ago
  501c3's get tax breaks, 501c6' don't. C3's are supposed to be for charitable, religious, and educational organizations, C6's are for chambers of commerce or business leagues, like the ABA which is all the lawyers.

TRiG_Ireland 3y ago

> It's just a fake 501(c)(3) which actually runs like a 501(c)(6). Not everyone is familiar with the nuances of your country's tax codes. Would you care to interpret that?

Kon-Peki 3y ago
A 501(c)(3) is a non-profit organization that exists to serve the public good. A 501(c)(6) is a non-profit organization that exists to serve its membership. So like a bunch of businesses in a city get together to form an organization that works for their common good. The business organization doesn't make a profit, each individual business makes a profit and pays their taxes. A 501(c)(3) has a lot more restrictions than a 501(c)(6), so you might wonder why a 501(c)(6) would want to be organized as a 501(c)(3). Well, that's because donations to a 501(c)(3) are tax deductible and donations to a 501(c)(6) are not. So basically, tax avoidance by the people contributing to the organization. If those same people are the ones that created/run the organization, you might even claim that it is criminal tax fraud (I am not making that claim - I don't know enough about the ASF to have an opinion). But keep in mind that the amount of money that ASF brings in and/or spends each year is basically nothing compared to what WikiMedia or Mozilla deals with. I'm not sure that these corporations would go to the effort for such a tiny amount of money. Maybe it started out with good intentions, and has slowly evolved to be worthless from a public good standpoint.
- TRiG_Ireland 3y ago
  Thanks. I follow what you're saying now.
fragmede 3y ago
501c3's get tax breaks, 501c6' don't. C3's are supposed to be for charitable, religious, and educational organizations, C6's are for chambers of commerce or business leagues, like the ABA which is all the lawyers.