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May be the Catholic investment firm should sort out their own back yard before making demands of any other entity...

by sbuk 3y ago

Aachen 3y ago
I'm not in favor of public scaremongering like spreading half-truths about a random other company on a billboard, but I will say that perfect is the enemy of good. You can say "sort out your own back yard" about virtually anything. If you believe that what they do is good, it doesn't matter so much if their own back yard is sorted out, it's still good. If you don't, then not, and it still doesn't matter what their own state of affairs looks like.
- omginternets 3y ago
  In the case of the Catholic Church, it’s completely fair to call out their hypocrisy.
  - Aachen 3y ago
    In a topical conversation, playing it on the man detracts from the discussion
    - omginternets 3y ago
      The comment is topical. It relates to a Catholic investment group that is pushing in morally-ambiguous policies to fight child sexual exploitation.
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- olliej 3y ago
  The Catholic Church has a long history of actively protecting child abusers, and it keeps happening. They then, as one of the richest organizations on earth, set up their organization to allow them to "bankruptcy" their way out ever having any consequences. Couple that with the catholic church's long standing stance of "anything LGBT or adjacent is child abuse" and you have an organization who's stance on "stopping child abuse" is "we must criminalize anyone or thing that is LGBT, but abusing children is a-ok, and we must make child victims feel like they are the guilty party, and making them aware that telling anyone about the abuse might send them to the 'police' is absolutely something abusers use". It is absolutely correct to call out the involvement of any such organization in any claimed "child abuse prevention" system, especially a system that has no path to stop actual predators and criminals and by design has no possible mechanism for checks or audits. I won't even consider trusting the catholic church's involvement in child welfare until they: compensate every victim, publicly report every abuser they have protected and provide all documentation to police, and they send every single person involved in covering up and protecting these child abusers to the police (because jfc they are child abusers), and then we can start addressing the various "schools" for native children that were basically torture centers for children that abused, killed, and raped hundreds if not thousands.
abawrbghqr 3y ago
Isn't this sort of a useless line of reasoning ultimately? I mean sure, blah blah everyone is aware of the history of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. But the same issue is just as, if not more, prevalent across public schools in the United States. Would the same argument seem as reasonable if it read "Maybe the federal/state government should sort out its own back yard before making demands"?
- sbuk 3y ago
  It depends. Are the state attempting to cover it up? Is it to the same extent as what has happened in the Catholic Church? Are they offering the protagonists protection and sanctuary? Either way, I’m sure we can all agree that the measures they’re promoting are unacceptable. My point though is that organisations, such as the Catholic Church, and organisations that purport to operate under their auspices, have no moral standing to make these demands of other entities. From where I’m standing, it looks as if they are pointing the finger of responsibility at big tech, instead of the organisation that is covering up child abuse.

May be the Catholic investment firm should sort out their own back yard before making demands of any other entity...

by sbuk 3y ago

May be the Catholic investment firm should sort out their own back yard before making demands of any other entity...

I'm not in favor of public scaremongering like spreading half-truths about a random other company on a billboard, but I will say that perfect is the enemy of good. You can say "sort out your own back yard" about virtually anything. If you believe that what they do is good, it doesn't matter so much if their own back yard is sorted out, it's still good. If you don't, then not, and it still doesn't matter what their own state of affairs looks like.

omginternets 3y ago
In the case of the Catholic Church, it’s completely fair to call out their hypocrisy.
- Aachen 3y ago
  In a topical conversation, playing it on the man detracts from the discussion
  - omginternets 3y ago
    The comment is topical. It relates to a Catholic investment group that is pushing in morally-ambiguous policies to fight child sexual exploitation.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
olliej 3y ago
The Catholic Church has a long history of actively protecting child abusers, and it keeps happening. They then, as one of the richest organizations on earth, set up their organization to allow them to "bankruptcy" their way out ever having any consequences. Couple that with the catholic church's long standing stance of "anything LGBT or adjacent is child abuse" and you have an organization who's stance on "stopping child abuse" is "we must criminalize anyone or thing that is LGBT, but abusing children is a-ok, and we must make child victims feel like they are the guilty party, and making them aware that telling anyone about the abuse might send them to the 'police' is absolutely something abusers use". It is absolutely correct to call out the involvement of any such organization in any claimed "child abuse prevention" system, especially a system that has no path to stop actual predators and criminals and by design has no possible mechanism for checks or audits. I won't even consider trusting the catholic church's involvement in child welfare until they: compensate every victim, publicly report every abuser they have protected and provide all documentation to police, and they send every single person involved in covering up and protecting these child abusers to the police (because jfc they are child abusers), and then we can start addressing the various "schools" for native children that were basically torture centers for children that abused, killed, and raped hundreds if not thousands.

abawrbghqr 3y ago

Isn't this sort of a useless line of reasoning ultimately? I mean sure, blah blah everyone is aware of the history of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. But the same issue is just as, if not more, prevalent across public schools in the United States. Would the same argument seem as reasonable if it read "Maybe the federal/state government should sort out its own back yard before making demands"?

sbuk 3y ago
It depends. Are the state attempting to cover it up? Is it to the same extent as what has happened in the Catholic Church? Are they offering the protagonists protection and sanctuary? Either way, I’m sure we can all agree that the measures they’re promoting are unacceptable. My point though is that organisations, such as the Catholic Church, and organisations that purport to operate under their auspices, have no moral standing to make these demands of other entities. From where I’m standing, it looks as if they are pointing the finger of responsibility at big tech, instead of the organisation that is covering up child abuse.