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> In practice, what happens is that these values are slowly made more acceptable. > "Protect our women" to make transphobia more acceptable. This is itself a
by hubco 3y ago
> In practice, what happens is that these values are slowly made more acceptable.
> "Protect our women" to make transphobia more acceptable.
This is itself a reaction to unacceptable values being imposed, namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity.
The pushback is because so many women are standing up and saying no, we don't accept this incursion on our rights and dignity.
- psd1 3y agoI can help! Stop insisting that trans women are men, then there is no problem.
- hubco 3y agoThey are men, whether you like it or not. Men who desire to be women, or who just call themselves women, for whatever reason. No-one should be compelled to accept a false, reality-denying belief as if it were true. This absurd assertion that some men are women is a particularly pernicious falsehood.
- thfuran 3y agoWhy is that particularly pernicious?
- psd1 3y agoYou act like that's settled fact. It's just your opinion. The opinion itself isn't the problem, it's when you want to hurt an out-group that it becomes a problem. Personally, I despise a bully, especially am adult one. On your opinion, it takes no account of edge cases. Occasionally, humans are born with XXY chromosomes. Occasionally humans are born with both male and female genitals. Occasionally humans are born chimaeric, with different DNA in different parts of their bodies. It's biological fact that the distinction between male and female is blurry. We're on HN, I expect you already know this. If you didn't know this, then, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. Either way, your opinion is not based in fact. I take it you'll be a little less rigid on this topic?
- hubco 3y agoYou have conflated two groups of people: those with rare disorders of sexual development, and men who demand access to women's and girls' spaces while pretending to be women. Using the existence of the former group as a rhetorical shield for the intrusive behaviour of the latter isn't at all convincing. It's quite clear from your comments that you elevate male desires above the dignity and safety of women. I hope you can reflect on your misogyny and perhaps even start to respect women as equals rather than second class citizens to be subjugated to the wants of men.
- psd1 3y agoAnd you conflate your opinion with justification to dictate how others live. Your accusation of misogyny is disingenuous and offensive, and I won't have it. The fucking irony, after you had the brass neck to open with "protect women" - sir, the set of people railing against trans women using the women's loo is a neat overlap with apologists for Trump perving on girls in their dressing rooms. We're defining other people in opposition to their self-image here, right? CSA correlates strongly with authoritarianism. If you want to protect girls, drown a right-winger. We're done.
- hubco 3y agoWell, at least we have common ground in our opposition to right-wing politics and the behaviour of its acolytes. I urge you to read, with an open mind, what gender-critical and radical feminist women have to say, both on this issue and more broadly. It is my hope that you find these female-centred perspectives to be more enlightening than what either of the male-dominated progressive or conservative political blocs exclaim.
- psd1 3y agoHold on - you're cruel because _sociology_ told you to be? And at no point did you notice you were stanford-prisoning? And you're so invested in your identity that you're willing to degrade and humiliate another human being? One who's been bullied all their life? And you think you're NOT right wing? No, I don't think you and I have any common ground. I see your account is brand new. Welcome to hacker news, assuming you're not merely dodging a ban. Identity politics, bashing minorities, accusations founded or unfounded - these are not welcome here. I doubt I'll be the last person to tell you that.
- thfuran 3y ago>namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity. What?
- hubco 3y ago> > namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity > What? Men who desire to be women forcing their way into women's and girls' spaces, and who keep advocating for the law to be changed, where it isn't already, so they can keep getting away with this.