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> but keep hopping jobs all the time Because if you do, they'll stop hiring you - that only goes one way.

by commandlinefan 3y ago

artursapek 3y ago
Yeah, as a hiring manager I get skeptical of a resume showing inability to commit.
- epicureanideal 3y ago
  "Inability to commit"? More like, companies treat employees as disposable, don't give appropriate raises or promotions, and through their incompetence force employees to move on to obtain the market salary for their efforts. If anything, their existing company should be willing to pay MORE because they're already familiar with that company's systems and have useful knowledge built up over time. Many employees would love to "commit". When's the last time anyone offered a software engineer a 2 or 3 year contract, with a 6 months salary severance if they're terminated before the end of the contract? Who's afraid of commitment here?
  - artursapek 3y ago
    During healthier job markets, I've seen tons of candidates job hopping every 12-24 months to get better pay etc. This is wasteful of time for the companies, who train these employees up before they're fully productive. Now, in a recession, there is more of a scarcity mindset on the side of the workers as you are showing.
    - BeFlatXIII 3y ago
      If the old employer didn't want the training investment to go to waste, they should've paid more.
    - epicureanideal 3y ago
      > This is wasteful of time for the companies, who train these employees up before they're fully productive. Nah, it takes a few months at most. > Now, in a recession, there is more of a scarcity mindset on the side of the workers as you are showing. Nope, just saying that employees respond to how they expect to be treated. Also, you avoided most of my main points.
      - artursapek 3y ago
        Someone job hopping every 12 months in a low-interest-rate climate isn’t doing it because they’re being “mistreated” by their current employer, over and over again. They’re exploiting a high demand job market to leverage their current position and get higher pay as an incentive to leave. This happened a lot in the Trump years when the economy was happy. With regard to contracts, it’s a fair point. But what other white collar work has those?
peoplearepeople 3y ago
Depends how long the hops are, a whole lot of less-than-2-years, sure. But if you're moving every 3 years no one blinks

> but keep hopping jobs all the time Because if you do, they'll stop hiring you - that only goes one way.

artursapek 3y ago

Yeah, as a hiring manager I get skeptical of a resume showing inability to commit.

epicureanideal 3y ago
"Inability to commit"? More like, companies treat employees as disposable, don't give appropriate raises or promotions, and through their incompetence force employees to move on to obtain the market salary for their efforts. If anything, their existing company should be willing to pay MORE because they're already familiar with that company's systems and have useful knowledge built up over time. Many employees would love to "commit". When's the last time anyone offered a software engineer a 2 or 3 year contract, with a 6 months salary severance if they're terminated before the end of the contract? Who's afraid of commitment here?
- artursapek 3y ago
  During healthier job markets, I've seen tons of candidates job hopping every 12-24 months to get better pay etc. This is wasteful of time for the companies, who train these employees up before they're fully productive. Now, in a recession, there is more of a scarcity mindset on the side of the workers as you are showing.
  - BeFlatXIII 3y ago
    If the old employer didn't want the training investment to go to waste, they should've paid more.
  - epicureanideal 3y ago
    > This is wasteful of time for the companies, who train these employees up before they're fully productive. Nah, it takes a few months at most. > Now, in a recession, there is more of a scarcity mindset on the side of the workers as you are showing. Nope, just saying that employees respond to how they expect to be treated. Also, you avoided most of my main points.
    - artursapek 3y ago
      Someone job hopping every 12 months in a low-interest-rate climate isn’t doing it because they’re being “mistreated” by their current employer, over and over again. They’re exploiting a high demand job market to leverage their current position and get higher pay as an incentive to leave. This happened a lot in the Trump years when the economy was happy. With regard to contracts, it’s a fair point. But what other white collar work has those?

peoplearepeople 3y ago

Depends how long the hops are, a whole lot of less-than-2-years, sure. But if you're moving every 3 years no one blinks