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We are now more informed. And I'm imparting the information I have gathered from the experiments of others that I have observed. It's not worth the risk. You

We are now more informed. And I'm imparting the information I have gathered from the experiments of others that I have observed. It's not worth the risk. You want to self-medicate? Do it with chemicals produced inside your body. Meditate, do a triathlon, lift weights, become a health-food nut, get some sun, find some opportunity for socialization, do that sauna + cold plunge thing, whatever. All of it is safer than swallowing/snorting/injecting some concoction that may or may not break your brain.

xp84 3y ago
I guess you're being downvoted by people who view your advice as impinging on "freedom," but I think you're not unfounded. It's worth pointing out that the fact you can only get these drugs from the black market presently does introduce a whole separate "you don't know what you're getting" aspect to this. So even if you believe MDMA is a cure-all and you're 100% right, do you actually know that it is real? It's a bummer, but everyone does need to weigh that in their decision if they want to keep themselves safe.
- stephenitis 3y ago
  There is 3 home chemical tests you can run to narrow down the likelihood that it is MDMA. There are also labs that can verify via mass spectrometer, free in europe, paid in usa. https://dancesafe.org/product/mdma-testing-kit/ https://dancesafe.org/product/mdma-testing-kit/ Purity tests are pretty subjective. People have also been testing their drugs for the presence of fentenayl but it's somewhat unlikely due to the drug profile and can throw false positives given the sensitivity of the test sample setup.
- Matticus_Rex 3y ago
  I downvoted it because it's just not good advice. Taken overly literally, it's probably harmful. Yes, you should be careful self-medicating with chemicals. There are ways to do it safely, though, even with MDMA. You should also do other things (as you are able) that don't require chemicals, and a lot of those should come before most chemicals. But some chemicals are really safe! E.g. for anxiety, try silexan and L-theanine as a first-line thing — they're both cheap and have no significant negative side-effects. And other chemicals are really powerful and transformative, and while they need to be considered and/or used with extreme care, they may be really good options. I'd absolutely take the risk of MDMA with proper testing, dosing, and supplementation over the risk to my body from a triathlon, for example. And you should definitely test MDMA, or have someone test it. Both of those are pretty accessible options for people who already know how to get MDMA.
  - xp84 3y ago
    I see. I appreciate your clarification and the addition of the strong testing endorsement.
- broscillator 3y ago
  some of these drugs are very easy to grow yourself, or know a friend who does
stephenitis 3y ago
How much 2nd hand experience have you gathered? Can you describe some scenarios, circumstance, drug of people you observed? I'm genuinely curious what shaped your view on this.
shortcake27 3y ago
> It's not worth the risk. You want to self-medicate? Do it with chemicals produced inside your body. Meditate, do a triathlon, lift weights, become a health-food nut, get some sun, find some opportunity for socialization, do that sauna + cold plunge thing, whatever. Wow, silly me! If only I had’ve known that my crippling depression, anxiety, and fuck knows what else could be solved by lifting weights and getting some sun. It’s evidently clear you aren’t, and have never, suffered from severe mental illness. With all due respect, please step off. You don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about. I went vegan. Got jacked. Ran 20 miles a week. It didn’t help in the slightest. I was fit, healthy, and depressed as fuck. None of that had anywhere near the same effect as a single bump. So forgive me if “safety” isn’t my paramount concern when every waking moment is a nightmare.
- FredPret 3y ago
  I said do not SELF medicate. If you need medication, get it from a professional. For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. This should be the first thing everyone tries.
  - mdorazio 3y ago
    > For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. You seem to be completely out of touch with reality and I envy the charmed life you must have led.
    - FredPret 3y ago
      "Regular exercise can boost your mood if you have depression, and it's especially useful for people with mild to moderate depression." https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-activities/exercise-for-depression/ https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-... "Exercise is as effective as antidepressants in some cases." - https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-... "Depression and anxiety: Exercise eases symptoms" https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/depression-and-exercise/art-20046495 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in... For serious cases that can't be helped by exercise, there is professional help, including medication. For no cases at all are illegal drugs / self-medication the answer. For anything that ever goes wrong with a complex, self-adjusting system, we should start with light-touch interventions that align with the natural pathways of that system. Serious interventions are for serious problems only.

xp84 3y ago

I guess you're being downvoted by people who view your advice as impinging on "freedom," but I think you're not unfounded. It's worth pointing out that the fact you can only get these drugs from the black market presently does introduce a whole separate "you don't know what you're getting" aspect to this. So even if you believe MDMA is a cure-all and you're 100% right, do you actually know that it is real? It's a bummer, but everyone does need to weigh that in their decision if they want to keep themselves safe.

stephenitis 3y ago
There is 3 home chemical tests you can run to narrow down the likelihood that it is MDMA. There are also labs that can verify via mass spectrometer, free in europe, paid in usa. https://dancesafe.org/product/mdma-testing-kit/ https://dancesafe.org/product/mdma-testing-kit/ Purity tests are pretty subjective. People have also been testing their drugs for the presence of fentenayl but it's somewhat unlikely due to the drug profile and can throw false positives given the sensitivity of the test sample setup.
Matticus_Rex 3y ago
I downvoted it because it's just not good advice. Taken overly literally, it's probably harmful. Yes, you should be careful self-medicating with chemicals. There are ways to do it safely, though, even with MDMA. You should also do other things (as you are able) that don't require chemicals, and a lot of those should come before most chemicals. But some chemicals are really safe! E.g. for anxiety, try silexan and L-theanine as a first-line thing — they're both cheap and have no significant negative side-effects. And other chemicals are really powerful and transformative, and while they need to be considered and/or used with extreme care, they may be really good options. I'd absolutely take the risk of MDMA with proper testing, dosing, and supplementation over the risk to my body from a triathlon, for example. And you should definitely test MDMA, or have someone test it. Both of those are pretty accessible options for people who already know how to get MDMA.
- xp84 3y ago
  I see. I appreciate your clarification and the addition of the strong testing endorsement.
broscillator 3y ago
some of these drugs are very easy to grow yourself, or know a friend who does

stephenitis 3y ago

How much 2nd hand experience have you gathered? Can you describe some scenarios, circumstance, drug of people you observed? I'm genuinely curious what shaped your view on this.

shortcake27 3y ago

> It's not worth the risk. You want to self-medicate? Do it with chemicals produced inside your body. Meditate, do a triathlon, lift weights, become a health-food nut, get some sun, find some opportunity for socialization, do that sauna + cold plunge thing, whatever. Wow, silly me! If only I had’ve known that my crippling depression, anxiety, and fuck knows what else could be solved by lifting weights and getting some sun. It’s evidently clear you aren’t, and have never, suffered from severe mental illness. With all due respect, please step off. You don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about. I went vegan. Got jacked. Ran 20 miles a week. It didn’t help in the slightest. I was fit, healthy, and depressed as fuck. None of that had anywhere near the same effect as a single bump. So forgive me if “safety” isn’t my paramount concern when every waking moment is a nightmare.

FredPret 3y ago
I said do not SELF medicate. If you need medication, get it from a professional. For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. This should be the first thing everyone tries.
- mdorazio 3y ago
  > For the vast majority of depressed people, a simple workout habit will do the trick. You seem to be completely out of touch with reality and I envy the charmed life you must have led.
  - FredPret 3y ago
    "Regular exercise can boost your mood if you have depression, and it's especially useful for people with mild to moderate depression." https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-activities/exercise-for-depression/ https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/guides-tools-and-... "Exercise is as effective as antidepressants in some cases." - https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-... "Depression and anxiety: Exercise eases symptoms" https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/depression-and-exercise/art-20046495 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in... For serious cases that can't be helped by exercise, there is professional help, including medication. For no cases at all are illegal drugs / self-medication the answer. For anything that ever goes wrong with a complex, self-adjusting system, we should start with light-touch interventions that align with the natural pathways of that system. Serious interventions are for serious problems only.