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Apache has lots of active projects. But they are mostly data analysis. At work, we use Airflow to run Spark jobs which uses Hadoop and Hive. Apache also has a

Apache has lots of active projects. But they are mostly data analysis. At work, we use Airflow to run Spark jobs which uses Hadoop and Hive. Apache also has a lot of dead projects that never got picked up by users. Apache should have a marker for zombie projects so people don't start using them.

giamma 3y ago
Well, the same would hold for github or any other open source container. When I find something interesting on github, before deciding to use it, I check the number of committers and the commit history/frequency. Anyone can do the same for Apache projects.
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  GitHub is an unfiltered firehose. The job of something like ASF is to curate. It used to be that an "Apache project" meant the same as "solid, popular, vouched for, safe to use".
rbowen 3y ago
The ASF does have a marker for retired projects. See https://attic.apache.org/ https://attic.apache.org/ Software projects have a natural lifecycle, and since we've been around for almost 30 years, there's going to be a number of projects in that state. However, the ASF doesn't force projects into the attic while they still have a community around them. OpenOffice is an edge case - there's still a project community, primarily around templates and other end-user-centric activities. They're just not doing much with the actual software any more. Granted, there's room to disagree as to whether 1) the ASF should force projects into the attic and 2) whether OO actually has an active community. But the Foundation's position is that this is the decision of the project, not one to be forced top-down by the Board.
pavon 3y ago
They do have the Apache Attic for that purpose, but they typically defer to the project maintainers to make the decision to retire a project, unless there are no longer any maintainers.

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Apache has lots of active projects. But they are mostly data analysis. At work, we use Airflow to run Spark jobs which uses Hadoop and Hive. Apache also has a

by ianburrell 3y ago

giamma 3y ago
Well, the same would hold for github or any other open source container. When I find something interesting on github, before deciding to use it, I check the number of committers and the commit history/frequency. Anyone can do the same for Apache projects.
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  GitHub is an unfiltered firehose. The job of something like ASF is to curate. It used to be that an "Apache project" meant the same as "solid, popular, vouched for, safe to use".
rbowen 3y ago
The ASF does have a marker for retired projects. See https://attic.apache.org/ https://attic.apache.org/ Software projects have a natural lifecycle, and since we've been around for almost 30 years, there's going to be a number of projects in that state. However, the ASF doesn't force projects into the attic while they still have a community around them. OpenOffice is an edge case - there's still a project community, primarily around templates and other end-user-centric activities. They're just not doing much with the actual software any more. Granted, there's room to disagree as to whether 1) the ASF should force projects into the attic and 2) whether OO actually has an active community. But the Foundation's position is that this is the decision of the project, not one to be forced top-down by the Board.
pavon 3y ago
They do have the Apache Attic for that purpose, but they typically defer to the project maintainers to make the decision to retire a project, unless there are no longer any maintainers.