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Entirely unrelated, but it's just so retro. The trunk branch, the Bugzilla list, the OS/2 support, the user forums, the multi-hour build process, the XHTML 1.0

Entirely unrelated, but it's just so retro. The trunk branch, the Bugzilla list, the OS/2 support, the user forums, the multi-hour build process, the XHTML 1.0 compliant badge on the https://www.openoffice.org/ https://www.openoffice.org/ homepage ..... Reminds me of the good old days.

garganzol 3y ago
But still, the site is reasonably usable even by today's standards.
- lost_tourist 3y ago
  Some would say in spite of today's standards.
cratermoon 3y ago
> the multi-hour build process Many years ago I became proficient with the Linux kernel build process, and later regularly built Mozilla with my preferred configuration and so forth. Both processes take some doing. I thought building OpenOffice couldn't be much of a challenge, it wasn't an operating system after all. I can't recall if I ever got it done. If I did, it was certainly the most vanilla possible build, taking all the defaults for a bog-standard build.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  Well, Linux is just kernel, and as such doesn't take so much time to build. A whole operating system (depending on what's in scope) would take hours or even days
  - eulers_secret 3y ago
    Getting flashbacks to Gentoo building when I only had a single core. Good learning experience…
    - sprayk 3y ago
      I unfortunately stopped daily driving gentoo right as core counts in consumer machines started to go above 1. I have played around w/ it a few times since, and was blown away by how much faster emerges go when you add ever increasing numbers to -j in your make opts. Building large software is consistently the only useful thing I can do that will fully utilize all CPU resources. Seeing all the bars in the red in htop on a box with a lot of threads doesn't get old.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    > A whole operating system (depending on what's in scope) would take hours or even days I'm sure a full OS can take that long (ex. Windows, probably), but at least NetBSD can build a whole OS from source quite quickly. (Of course, NetBSD makes an effort to optimize that process; their build.sh is really a thing of beauty)
  - cratermoon 3y ago
    True, but it's not the total time, it's the complexity involved in build process, as in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Configuration https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Configuration As a first approximation, one would not expect building a suite of office tools to be more complex than building an operating system kernel. Also, for the people saying "it's only the kernel, not the whole O/S", consider that building the kernel requires having a running system with all the dependencies.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      > As a first approximation, one would not expect building a suite of office tools to be more complex than building an operating system kernel. Honestly I would. Kernel is not that big if you look away from all the device drivers (you usually don't need all of them) and has a focus on minimalism. An office suite is a massive complexity monster which skews on supporting more stuff even if it means having more code.
  - jen20 3y ago
    FreeBSD ‘make world’ takes about 12 minutes on a reasonably sized virtual machine.
- davidgerard 3y ago
  Remembering when I spent three days compiling OOo from FreeBSD ports, to get a build that didn't work, then discovering that this was a known broken port. I started using the Linux binary in emulation instead.
smrtinsert 3y ago
Man that is a beautiful web page. Clear linkage, no infinite scroll, shape and indentation based visual flow, 100%!
- PetahNZ 3y ago
  Unless you view it on mobile...

garganzol 3y ago

But still, the site is reasonably usable even by today's standards.

lost_tourist 3y ago
Some would say in spite of today's standards.

cratermoon 3y ago

> the multi-hour build process Many years ago I became proficient with the Linux kernel build process, and later regularly built Mozilla with my preferred configuration and so forth. Both processes take some doing. I thought building OpenOffice couldn't be much of a challenge, it wasn't an operating system after all. I can't recall if I ever got it done. If I did, it was certainly the most vanilla possible build, taking all the defaults for a bog-standard build.

The_Colonel 3y ago
Well, Linux is just kernel, and as such doesn't take so much time to build. A whole operating system (depending on what's in scope) would take hours or even days
- eulers_secret 3y ago
  Getting flashbacks to Gentoo building when I only had a single core. Good learning experience…
  - sprayk 3y ago
    I unfortunately stopped daily driving gentoo right as core counts in consumer machines started to go above 1. I have played around w/ it a few times since, and was blown away by how much faster emerges go when you add ever increasing numbers to -j in your make opts. Building large software is consistently the only useful thing I can do that will fully utilize all CPU resources. Seeing all the bars in the red in htop on a box with a lot of threads doesn't get old.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > A whole operating system (depending on what's in scope) would take hours or even days I'm sure a full OS can take that long (ex. Windows, probably), but at least NetBSD can build a whole OS from source quite quickly. (Of course, NetBSD makes an effort to optimize that process; their build.sh is really a thing of beauty)
- cratermoon 3y ago
  True, but it's not the total time, it's the complexity involved in build process, as in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Configuration https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Configuration As a first approximation, one would not expect building a suite of office tools to be more complex than building an operating system kernel. Also, for the people saying "it's only the kernel, not the whole O/S", consider that building the kernel requires having a running system with all the dependencies.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    > As a first approximation, one would not expect building a suite of office tools to be more complex than building an operating system kernel. Honestly I would. Kernel is not that big if you look away from all the device drivers (you usually don't need all of them) and has a focus on minimalism. An office suite is a massive complexity monster which skews on supporting more stuff even if it means having more code.
- jen20 3y ago
  FreeBSD ‘make world’ takes about 12 minutes on a reasonably sized virtual machine.
davidgerard 3y ago
Remembering when I spent three days compiling OOo from FreeBSD ports, to get a build that didn't work, then discovering that this was a known broken port. I started using the Linux binary in emulation instead.

smrtinsert 3y ago

Man that is a beautiful web page. Clear linkage, no infinite scroll, shape and indentation based visual flow, 100%!

PetahNZ 3y ago
Unless you view it on mobile...