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Context: a thing on social media right now is women asking husbands/boyfriends how often they think about the Roman Empire, and then giggling and expressing sur

Context: a thing on social media right now is women asking husbands/boyfriends how often they think about the Roman Empire, and then giggling and expressing surprise when the answer is, in every case, more than “almost never”.

runjake 3y ago
I don't get it. Why? (My personal answer would be "multiple times a day.") Edit: https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/why-do-men-think-about-the-roman-empire-so-often-the-viral-question-and-roman-empire-tiktok-trend-explained https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/why-do-men-think-... Edit2: It has nothing to do with power and little to do with battles. It's more about society, governance, and culture.
- rhplus 3y ago
  I mean, in July and August I’m forced to think about it every single day.
  - boomboomsubban 3y ago
    While the other ten months only imply that you should think about it. Those Latin words and Roman gods could have come from anywhere!
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  The humor seems to come from there being a large body of people (mostly women, evidently?) who don’t realize anyone who’s not, like, a classics professor, thinks about the Roman Empire more than almost-never, and another (evidently mostly men?) who don’t get how someone could think about it less than at least once a week, assuming they think about anything at all. I’m firmly in the “how do you not?” camp. The mutual confusion between these two groups is the joke, I think. Another facet may be the implication that all these men must be obsessed with Rome or want a return of the Roman Empire or something, which is also a funny notion, but I don’t think that’s usually the case. There are dozens of other things I think about at least as often, personally, and the common thread is that they have lots of connections to various topics I’m interested in, not some obsession with e.g. Rome. For my part, Rome is heavily connected to all of philosophy, politics, European, Maghreb, and Near-East history, literature, and film (it’s a common setting or topic, even when not directly the topic, as in the Coen’s Hail Caesar) and since I’m interested in all those things, I mean, yeah, obviously I think about it at least once a day. I also think about various ancient Greek states daily, and Sumer and Ancient Egypt at least once a week, and often much more, I’d guess. Doesn’t mean I’m particularly obsessed with any of them, they’re just strongly connected to a ton of my interests.
  - flkiwi 3y ago
    Pretty sure I passed some sort of test with my wife when I told her "Oh, think about it and not in the context of it coming up in a book or legal concept, but just sit and ponder the Empire? Once every six months or so?" but then rapidly lost ground when I continued, "Maybe slightly more if you include the Republic, the Byzantine Empire, and any of the purported successor entities like Tsarist Russia or the Ottomans." The equally amusing thing is the trend to ask "What is the Roman Empire for people who don't think about the Roman Empire?" The answer for a SHOCKING number of people is Tom Holland lip syncing 'Umbrella'. And as astonishing and inconceivable as that is to me--that someone could think about that multiple times per year, much less the more frequent schedule my wife, who is deeply, boldy intelligent, joyously admits to--I'm reminded that that's EXACTLY how they feel about people who think about Rome. So I just shrug and say "well people like different things."
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Seems more likely to me that all of you are just bad at estimating your past thoughts you neither think about Tom Holland nor the Roman Empire nearly as much as you believe.
      - flkiwi 3y ago
        Or we're spot on and different people have things that stick in their minds, that frame their mindset, that drive their creativity, whatever. I'm not prepared to question anyone's testimony about something as funny and trivial as this. It's just another excellent example that we are all very different people.
    - 1-more 3y ago
      Lady Gaga's performance of "Paparazzi" at the 2009 VMA awards for me. But also the Roman empire. I just finished making a table. Whole time I was wondering how the hell anyone without cast iron base plates on their power tools could ever make such a thing, and that for sure included the Roman empire. What was life like for a regular guy back then who wanted a table? Crazy. Once you throw in all the things before (Roman kingdom, Roman republic, who the heck were the Etruscans anyways, things of that nature) and after (who was the last person in what's now Spain to think of themselves as a Roman subject? Holy Roman empire: pretty wild huh; is there a through-line of kin based organized crime to the classical era?) you've basically got the last 2000+ years of history. So it's easy to count just about everything as "the Roman empire" with the level of handwaving I'm comfortable doing. This isn't to say I'm stuck there. Pre Indo-european Europe is wild. The Tang Dynasty is wild. People settling high up in the Andes or Rockies or Himalayas is insane to me. So there's a lot to think about!
- dylan604 3y ago
  It's just another Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars type of thing that sounds like a typical article from Cosmo discussed at the hair salon. The irony of my comment is not lost and is intended
- dfxm12 3y ago
  Because people post reactionary stuff like this online, unprompted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37646138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37646138
  - chimpanzee 3y ago
    Why do you consider that post to be “reactionary”?
    - hotnfresh 3y ago
      Supporting a prior state of affairs over the current one (in this case, older forms of money and monetary policy; and maybe also economic systems and/or attitudes toward colonialism, it’s not entirely clear which aspects the poster intends us to understand as causing the claimed price consistency) is what “reactionary” means.
      - chimpanzee 3y ago
        Yes thank you, that is what “reactionary” means. But the post only mentions the Romans in order to draw a comparison (albeit likely based on faulty information), and then asks how others feel about it. This isn’t support for past eras. It’s a curiosity into the current state of affairs using as comparison the only available reference: the past. Your own difficulty in understanding the poster’s intent underlies the problem with the “reactionary” label. They could simply be misinformed. Misinformation leads to dissonance, surprise and curiosity. Which leads to posting online to settle their inner confusion/questions.
        hotnfresh 3y ago
        I read the poster’s question as leading due to extensive interaction online with that kind of sea-lioning or otherwise promoting a point of view (always one of a few, and mostly clustered in one ideological area that definitely includes love of precious metal standards) by posting (often wrong or biased) sources, framing them a certain (also often wrong) way, then asking what others think about that. It’s also a great way to accomplish (classical) trolling, by making a post that’s weak and controversial (so, invites replies, including from those who will refute it poorly, which is the OP’s lead—in to goad them further by responding only to weak rebuttals) but can hide behind ignorance or naivety (“I really wasn’t sure, I was just asking”) to skirt moderation. But there’s a tiny chance it’s not any of that and the poster really is, literally, just asking questions. From the form and topic of the post, I give it about, I dunno, a 3% likelihood. [edit] why do I judge this almost certainly not a genuine question born of curiosity? There are several clues, but the post leads with “reminder that…” This indicates a ready line of argument and/or beloved second-hand ideological factoid the poster has picked up and has ready to mind. The post almost certainly has a slant, and if it does, yes, it’s reactionary.

runjake 3y ago

I don't get it. Why? (My personal answer would be "multiple times a day.") Edit: https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/why-do-men-think-about-the-roman-empire-so-often-the-viral-question-and-roman-empire-tiktok-trend-explained https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/why-do-men-think-... Edit2: It has nothing to do with power and little to do with battles. It's more about society, governance, and culture.

rhplus 3y ago
I mean, in July and August I’m forced to think about it every single day.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  While the other ten months only imply that you should think about it. Those Latin words and Roman gods could have come from anywhere!
hotnfresh 3y ago
The humor seems to come from there being a large body of people (mostly women, evidently?) who don’t realize anyone who’s not, like, a classics professor, thinks about the Roman Empire more than almost-never, and another (evidently mostly men?) who don’t get how someone could think about it less than at least once a week, assuming they think about anything at all. I’m firmly in the “how do you not?” camp. The mutual confusion between these two groups is the joke, I think. Another facet may be the implication that all these men must be obsessed with Rome or want a return of the Roman Empire or something, which is also a funny notion, but I don’t think that’s usually the case. There are dozens of other things I think about at least as often, personally, and the common thread is that they have lots of connections to various topics I’m interested in, not some obsession with e.g. Rome. For my part, Rome is heavily connected to all of philosophy, politics, European, Maghreb, and Near-East history, literature, and film (it’s a common setting or topic, even when not directly the topic, as in the Coen’s Hail Caesar) and since I’m interested in all those things, I mean, yeah, obviously I think about it at least once a day. I also think about various ancient Greek states daily, and Sumer and Ancient Egypt at least once a week, and often much more, I’d guess. Doesn’t mean I’m particularly obsessed with any of them, they’re just strongly connected to a ton of my interests.
- flkiwi 3y ago
  Pretty sure I passed some sort of test with my wife when I told her "Oh, think about it and not in the context of it coming up in a book or legal concept, but just sit and ponder the Empire? Once every six months or so?" but then rapidly lost ground when I continued, "Maybe slightly more if you include the Republic, the Byzantine Empire, and any of the purported successor entities like Tsarist Russia or the Ottomans." The equally amusing thing is the trend to ask "What is the Roman Empire for people who don't think about the Roman Empire?" The answer for a SHOCKING number of people is Tom Holland lip syncing 'Umbrella'. And as astonishing and inconceivable as that is to me--that someone could think about that multiple times per year, much less the more frequent schedule my wife, who is deeply, boldy intelligent, joyously admits to--I'm reminded that that's EXACTLY how they feel about people who think about Rome. So I just shrug and say "well people like different things."
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Seems more likely to me that all of you are just bad at estimating your past thoughts you neither think about Tom Holland nor the Roman Empire nearly as much as you believe.
    - flkiwi 3y ago
      Or we're spot on and different people have things that stick in their minds, that frame their mindset, that drive their creativity, whatever. I'm not prepared to question anyone's testimony about something as funny and trivial as this. It's just another excellent example that we are all very different people.
  - 1-more 3y ago
    Lady Gaga's performance of "Paparazzi" at the 2009 VMA awards for me. But also the Roman empire. I just finished making a table. Whole time I was wondering how the hell anyone without cast iron base plates on their power tools could ever make such a thing, and that for sure included the Roman empire. What was life like for a regular guy back then who wanted a table? Crazy. Once you throw in all the things before (Roman kingdom, Roman republic, who the heck were the Etruscans anyways, things of that nature) and after (who was the last person in what's now Spain to think of themselves as a Roman subject? Holy Roman empire: pretty wild huh; is there a through-line of kin based organized crime to the classical era?) you've basically got the last 2000+ years of history. So it's easy to count just about everything as "the Roman empire" with the level of handwaving I'm comfortable doing. This isn't to say I'm stuck there. Pre Indo-european Europe is wild. The Tang Dynasty is wild. People settling high up in the Andes or Rockies or Himalayas is insane to me. So there's a lot to think about!
dylan604 3y ago
It's just another Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars type of thing that sounds like a typical article from Cosmo discussed at the hair salon. The irony of my comment is not lost and is intended
dfxm12 3y ago
Because people post reactionary stuff like this online, unprompted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37646138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37646138
- chimpanzee 3y ago
  Why do you consider that post to be “reactionary”?
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    Supporting a prior state of affairs over the current one (in this case, older forms of money and monetary policy; and maybe also economic systems and/or attitudes toward colonialism, it’s not entirely clear which aspects the poster intends us to understand as causing the claimed price consistency) is what “reactionary” means.
    - chimpanzee 3y ago
      Yes thank you, that is what “reactionary” means. But the post only mentions the Romans in order to draw a comparison (albeit likely based on faulty information), and then asks how others feel about it. This isn’t support for past eras. It’s a curiosity into the current state of affairs using as comparison the only available reference: the past. Your own difficulty in understanding the poster’s intent underlies the problem with the “reactionary” label. They could simply be misinformed. Misinformation leads to dissonance, surprise and curiosity. Which leads to posting online to settle their inner confusion/questions.
      - hotnfresh 3y ago
        I read the poster’s question as leading due to extensive interaction online with that kind of sea-lioning or otherwise promoting a point of view (always one of a few, and mostly clustered in one ideological area that definitely includes love of precious metal standards) by posting (often wrong or biased) sources, framing them a certain (also often wrong) way, then asking what others think about that. It’s also a great way to accomplish (classical) trolling, by making a post that’s weak and controversial (so, invites replies, including from those who will refute it poorly, which is the OP’s lead—in to goad them further by responding only to weak rebuttals) but can hide behind ignorance or naivety (“I really wasn’t sure, I was just asking”) to skirt moderation. But there’s a tiny chance it’s not any of that and the poster really is, literally, just asking questions. From the form and topic of the post, I give it about, I dunno, a 3% likelihood. [edit] why do I judge this almost certainly not a genuine question born of curiosity? There are several clues, but the post leads with “reminder that…” This indicates a ready line of argument and/or beloved second-hand ideological factoid the poster has picked up and has ready to mind. The post almost certainly has a slant, and if it does, yes, it’s reactionary.