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Same strategy as Adobe's Firefly, which was trained on their catalog of stock images. Not so long ago many predicted that stock image sites will eventually bec

Same strategy as Adobe's Firefly, which was trained on their catalog of stock images. Not so long ago many predicted that stock image sites will eventually become obsolete or at least much less important due to AI image generators. But it might turn out that stock image sites are uniquely positioned to dominate commercial AI image generation because of the "ethically sourced" high quality training data they posses. They might still have minor legal fights whether this is a legal way to use the data licenses to them, but the list of people who could possibly sue is much shorter, known to the stock image site, and consists of people who have already signed some form of contract about the use of these images. The legal risks are well scoped and predictable, unlike "we scraped the internet" models.

doctorpangloss 3y ago
Okay, but the text model Getty and Firefly are using, that was trained on LAION2b. So it’s all bullshit.
- leet 3y ago
  No. Firefly is not. Cant speak for Getty.
  - doctorpangloss 3y ago
    How do you figure? Because they say so? Anyway, where do they say it, for Firefly? I haven’t seen it. They don’t address the text encoder at all, which uses images, precisely because it’s something like T5 or CLIP. I’ve emailed them through my enterprise Adobe account about it, and they simply didn’t reply. And then suppose they did talk about this, who audited it? How do you know they’re not biding time? Those text encoders take forever to train. At the end of the day, we’re only talking about these models because someone published research completely tainted by the copyrighted training. So it’s still totally unknown, until a lawsuit, if even a “redo” of every part of the model on all licensed stuff, which may not even work because there isn’t enough variety, if it’s all that it promises legally.
mistrial9 3y ago
> positioned to dominate commercial AI image generation the high-margin, very legal brand-name market. As others have pointed out, the means of production are already leaked, the goods easily copied and delivered, so there will be endless layers of gray market, not-legal, cheaper knock-offs and worse IMHO.

doctorpangloss 3y ago

Okay, but the text model Getty and Firefly are using, that was trained on LAION2b. So it’s all bullshit.

leet 3y ago
No. Firefly is not. Cant speak for Getty.
- doctorpangloss 3y ago
  How do you figure? Because they say so? Anyway, where do they say it, for Firefly? I haven’t seen it. They don’t address the text encoder at all, which uses images, precisely because it’s something like T5 or CLIP. I’ve emailed them through my enterprise Adobe account about it, and they simply didn’t reply. And then suppose they did talk about this, who audited it? How do you know they’re not biding time? Those text encoders take forever to train. At the end of the day, we’re only talking about these models because someone published research completely tainted by the copyrighted training. So it’s still totally unknown, until a lawsuit, if even a “redo” of every part of the model on all licensed stuff, which may not even work because there isn’t enough variety, if it’s all that it promises legally.

mistrial9 3y ago

> positioned to dominate commercial AI image generation the high-margin, very legal brand-name market. As others have pointed out, the means of production are already leaked, the goods easily copied and delivered, so there will be endless layers of gray market, not-legal, cheaper knock-offs and worse IMHO.