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Legally speaking what would have happened if an audience member had actually shot and killed her? As I understand it you can't actually give someone permission

by tdba 3y ago

Legally speaking what would have happened if an audience member had actually shot and killed her? As I understand it you can't actually give someone permission to kill you, at least in the USA.

StevenWaterman 3y ago
I think you answered your own question there, they would be arrested and tried for murder.
capableweb 3y ago
In this case, you want Italian laws, as it happened in Naples. But I'm not familiar at all with it. Performance art seems to regularly skirt laws, for better or worse. For example, if you participated in Seedbed by Vito Acconci (when Acconci is crawling around in the roof-space, masturbating while talking to you), could you claim sexual assault? No idea, but I could probably think of at least 5 performance art cases that are borderline illegal but nothing ever happened as it's part of "art" or whatever.
- deleted 3y ago
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- hammock 3y ago
  Being an artist really offers you no immunity from the law (or just cops, who often have little understanding of the law). Music performers have quite often been arrested by local authorities following performances. Examples: Jim Morrison (The Doors) - Miami, 1969: Jim Morrison was arrested for indecent exposure and profanity during a chaotic concert, leading to a highly publicized legal battle. Sid Vicious (Sex Pistols) - Various, Late 1970s: Sid Vicious faced multiple arrests, including for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Nancy Spungen in 1978, though he died before a trial could take place. Ozzy Osbourne - San Antonio, 1982: Ozzy Osbourne was arrested for public intoxication and urinating on the Alamo Cenotaph, a historic monument. Marilyn Manson - Michigan, 2001: Marilyn Manson and his bandmates were arrested on charges of criminal sexual conduct involving a security guard during a concert. N.W.A. - Detroit, 1989: N.W.A. members were arrested for performing their controversial song "F** tha Police" during a concert, leading to a brief detention. 2 Live Crew - Florida, 1990: 2 Live Crew faced obscenity charges over their explicit lyrics in their album "As Nasty As They Wanna Be," resulting in their arrest and a high-profile legal battle. Pussy Riot - Moscow, 2012: Members of the feminist punk band Pussy Riot were arrested for staging a protest performance in a Moscow cathedral against the Russian government. Axl Rose (Guns N’ Roses) - St. Louis, 1991: Axl Rose was arrested after a riot broke out during a Guns N' Roses concert, with Rose allegedly inciting the crowd to violence. GG Allin - Various, 1980s-1990s: Known for his extreme and often violent stage antics, GG Allin frequently faced arrests for indecent exposure, assault, and other charges during his performances.
  - riffic 3y ago
    It's so funny how this was almost my same exact (deleted) comment. There is a certain level of intellectual dishonesty in leaving your comment up, knowing it is mostly not your words. It would be fair to tell your comment was mostly a chatgpt authored one that I chose to delete knowing that same intellectual dishonesty you now know. (knock it off and don't ever do it again)
    - bowmessage 3y ago
      Why did you post it in the first place?
      - riffic 3y ago
        Intellectual dishonesty; I already admitted my own mistake.
        riffic 3y ago
        also I wanted to make a dig against cops
- lancesells 3y ago
  Nowadays they usually have you sign something that says you agree to XYZ.
  - yreg 3y ago
    A sign has no power to override laws.
qingcharles 3y ago
90 days in jail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVZDpT5cQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVZDpT5cQg
- hnbad 3y ago
  That case was different because the "murderer" was explicitly told nothing would happen and was pressured into this by the "victim" against her wishes. The sentencing was mostly for being an idiot. There's nothing in Rhythm 0 to suggest that the gun or bullet isn't real or that loading the gun and pulling the trigger while aiming at her head won't kill her. So the killing would likely be considered deliberate. At best this could test the boundaries of assisted suicide laws but where present these are usually very narrowly defined and wouldn't apply here even if she said in advance that she'd be okay with dying.
siva7 3y ago
Murder. It's not like an art performance will be given an excemption from italian (or any other) laws.

by tdba 3y ago

Legally speaking what would have happened if an audience member had actually shot and killed her? As I understand it you can't actually give someone permission to kill you, at least in the USA.

StevenWaterman 3y ago

I think you answered your own question there, they would be arrested and tried for murder.

capableweb 3y ago

In this case, you want Italian laws, as it happened in Naples. But I'm not familiar at all with it. Performance art seems to regularly skirt laws, for better or worse. For example, if you participated in Seedbed by Vito Acconci (when Acconci is crawling around in the roof-space, masturbating while talking to you), could you claim sexual assault? No idea, but I could probably think of at least 5 performance art cases that are borderline illegal but nothing ever happened as it's part of "art" or whatever.

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hammock 3y ago
Being an artist really offers you no immunity from the law (or just cops, who often have little understanding of the law). Music performers have quite often been arrested by local authorities following performances. Examples: Jim Morrison (The Doors) - Miami, 1969: Jim Morrison was arrested for indecent exposure and profanity during a chaotic concert, leading to a highly publicized legal battle. Sid Vicious (Sex Pistols) - Various, Late 1970s: Sid Vicious faced multiple arrests, including for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Nancy Spungen in 1978, though he died before a trial could take place. Ozzy Osbourne - San Antonio, 1982: Ozzy Osbourne was arrested for public intoxication and urinating on the Alamo Cenotaph, a historic monument. Marilyn Manson - Michigan, 2001: Marilyn Manson and his bandmates were arrested on charges of criminal sexual conduct involving a security guard during a concert. N.W.A. - Detroit, 1989: N.W.A. members were arrested for performing their controversial song "F** tha Police" during a concert, leading to a brief detention. 2 Live Crew - Florida, 1990: 2 Live Crew faced obscenity charges over their explicit lyrics in their album "As Nasty As They Wanna Be," resulting in their arrest and a high-profile legal battle. Pussy Riot - Moscow, 2012: Members of the feminist punk band Pussy Riot were arrested for staging a protest performance in a Moscow cathedral against the Russian government. Axl Rose (Guns N’ Roses) - St. Louis, 1991: Axl Rose was arrested after a riot broke out during a Guns N' Roses concert, with Rose allegedly inciting the crowd to violence. GG Allin - Various, 1980s-1990s: Known for his extreme and often violent stage antics, GG Allin frequently faced arrests for indecent exposure, assault, and other charges during his performances.
- riffic 3y ago
  It's so funny how this was almost my same exact (deleted) comment. There is a certain level of intellectual dishonesty in leaving your comment up, knowing it is mostly not your words. It would be fair to tell your comment was mostly a chatgpt authored one that I chose to delete knowing that same intellectual dishonesty you now know. (knock it off and don't ever do it again)
  - bowmessage 3y ago
    Why did you post it in the first place?
    - riffic 3y ago
      Intellectual dishonesty; I already admitted my own mistake.
      - riffic 3y ago
        also I wanted to make a dig against cops
lancesells 3y ago
Nowadays they usually have you sign something that says you agree to XYZ.
- yreg 3y ago
  A sign has no power to override laws.

qingcharles 3y ago

90 days in jail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVZDpT5cQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVZDpT5cQg

hnbad 3y ago
That case was different because the "murderer" was explicitly told nothing would happen and was pressured into this by the "victim" against her wishes. The sentencing was mostly for being an idiot. There's nothing in Rhythm 0 to suggest that the gun or bullet isn't real or that loading the gun and pulling the trigger while aiming at her head won't kill her. So the killing would likely be considered deliberate. At best this could test the boundaries of assisted suicide laws but where present these are usually very narrowly defined and wouldn't apply here even if she said in advance that she'd be okay with dying.

siva7 3y ago

Murder. It's not like an art performance will be given an excemption from italian (or any other) laws.