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"There are a lot of services here if you're sober so I suspect they swooped in and found her." That's what is important. If someone has just had a run of lousy

"There are a lot of services here if you're sober so I suspect they swooped in and found her." That's what is important. If someone has just had a run of lousy luck,there must be services to help them get back on their feet. The mentally ill, the junkies? You need services that give them a way out, but you cannot force them to use those services. If they won't accept help, then all that's left is "tough love": Force them out to out-of-the-way places, so they don't mess up everyone else's lives, and let them do whatever they need to do.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
>> "There are a lot of services here if you're sober so I suspect they swooped in and found her." > If someone has just had a run of lousy luck,there must be services to help them get back on their feet. For the most part, there aren't. Not in most of the US. Housing waiting lists were years long for decades. In the last few years it's gone from difficult to impossible. My boomer sister just learned her long-time lease won't be renewed next year and she is planning for a transition to homelessness - because she can calculate simple odds. In 2021, me + adult kids nearly joined the growing group of homeless people with money in the bank - because there was nowhere to go. Every available rental had hundreds of applicants. Since then, rents here are 50-300% over what they were 3 years ago (we're paying >2x). There's no detail about modern housing that supports the notion that vulnerable people aren't at risk.
- notsurenymore 3y ago
  I was briefly homeless this year (technically still am, but I lucked out and now bumming with an old friend) I was out of work for a long time and my lease ran up. I found myself stuck in one of the most overpriced (in terms of housing housing costs vs avg local pay) markets. There was no support for me. Most of the other homeless people I met were older individuals. I didn’t talk to them much, but there were no open drug users (they were probably out there, but I stuck to there parts of town where they didn’t congregate, including staying away from shelters) and I assume most of them were on fixed income and simply got priced out of the market. There’s no aid I was aware of. As you noticed, for many things, there’s massive waiting lists. Even the cheaper apartments out here have waiting by lists, and when I looked at the price to rent just a room, I was floored. People were often charging more to live in a room out of their house than you would pay for a low end apartment. And they still wanted first/last/security/credit check/background check etc. I’m still not sure if I’m going to make it out. I’d have to find work that’s going to pay enough for me to make it past the jump, and that’s looking less likely by the day. I’ve thought about just saying screw it, and moving to a cheaper area, but then I’m in the same position, in a foreign environment where I know nobody and have no network. I was speaking to my old neighbor a couple months before my lease was up about the economic situation. I was shocked when she told me that back in 08, her landlord actually lowered rents.
automatic6131 3y ago
>The mentally ill, the junkies? You need services that give them a way out For sure. But if you have limited resources, and sane, sober people will get a job and support themselves, feed themselves & keep their room clean and undestroyed, vs someone with "complex needs" who will do none of those things, when you have limited resources to work with, what will you choose? Help one ill person who will (potentially) harm others, (likely) harm the resources you give them, or five people who don't need the extra help? It's heartless, but resources (for these services) ARE limited. Would you, could you, make a different one?

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

>> "There are a lot of services here if you're sober so I suspect they swooped in and found her." > If someone has just had a run of lousy luck,there must be services to help them get back on their feet. For the most part, there aren't. Not in most of the US. Housing waiting lists were years long for decades. In the last few years it's gone from difficult to impossible. My boomer sister just learned her long-time lease won't be renewed next year and she is planning for a transition to homelessness - because she can calculate simple odds. In 2021, me + adult kids nearly joined the growing group of homeless people with money in the bank - because there was nowhere to go. Every available rental had hundreds of applicants. Since then, rents here are 50-300% over what they were 3 years ago (we're paying >2x). There's no detail about modern housing that supports the notion that vulnerable people aren't at risk.

notsurenymore 3y ago
I was briefly homeless this year (technically still am, but I lucked out and now bumming with an old friend) I was out of work for a long time and my lease ran up. I found myself stuck in one of the most overpriced (in terms of housing housing costs vs avg local pay) markets. There was no support for me. Most of the other homeless people I met were older individuals. I didn’t talk to them much, but there were no open drug users (they were probably out there, but I stuck to there parts of town where they didn’t congregate, including staying away from shelters) and I assume most of them were on fixed income and simply got priced out of the market. There’s no aid I was aware of. As you noticed, for many things, there’s massive waiting lists. Even the cheaper apartments out here have waiting by lists, and when I looked at the price to rent just a room, I was floored. People were often charging more to live in a room out of their house than you would pay for a low end apartment. And they still wanted first/last/security/credit check/background check etc. I’m still not sure if I’m going to make it out. I’d have to find work that’s going to pay enough for me to make it past the jump, and that’s looking less likely by the day. I’ve thought about just saying screw it, and moving to a cheaper area, but then I’m in the same position, in a foreign environment where I know nobody and have no network. I was speaking to my old neighbor a couple months before my lease was up about the economic situation. I was shocked when she told me that back in 08, her landlord actually lowered rents.

automatic6131 3y ago

>The mentally ill, the junkies? You need services that give them a way out For sure. But if you have limited resources, and sane, sober people will get a job and support themselves, feed themselves & keep their room clean and undestroyed, vs someone with "complex needs" who will do none of those things, when you have limited resources to work with, what will you choose? Help one ill person who will (potentially) harm others, (likely) harm the resources you give them, or five people who don't need the extra help? It's heartless, but resources (for these services) ARE limited. Would you, could you, make a different one?