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nope. I am not using visual C++ until they distribute a zip file with the tools, or come up with an installer that doesn't result in 10 GB being dumped on my sy

by 38 3y ago

nope. I am not using visual C++ until they distribute a zip file with the tools, or come up with an installer that doesn't result in 10 GB being dumped on my system. no thanks.

pjmlp 3y ago
It turns out compiled binary libraries take space, go figure.
- 38 3y ago
  not 10 GB though. especially when similar options can do it in less than 200 MB: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases I would be eager to hear actual data in further replies, rather than guesses.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    It isn't similar, does not offer support for all kinds of Windows development.
    - 38 3y ago
      right, I dont want that. If I am using Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ too, I dont want or need the full Visual Studio experience. and even with the Visual C++ tools or whatever its called, you still end up installing gigabytes of nonsense.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        It is not nonsence for doing systems programming in Windows. Apple and Google development SDKs, or any commercial OS, have similar sizes for the SDKs. Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming.
        38 3y ago
        > Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming. I care about a minimal set of tools in order to compile C/C++ programs. thats offered by: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases and also MSYS2, and even the Zig C compiler. all less than 200 MB. meanwhile Visual Studio installing about 10 GB worth. If Microsoft can offer a similar experience then I am interested.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Yeah, but that isn't systems programming on Windows.
        38 3y ago
        what I want is to have tools to compile C/C++ programs. until microsoft offers a minimal package like this, visual C++ is generally a poor choice for any compilation of C/C++ programs, because of the bloated nature of the current offerings.

by 38 3y ago

nope. I am not using visual C++ until they distribute a zip file with the tools, or come up with an installer that doesn't result in 10 GB being dumped on my system. no thanks.

pjmlp 3y ago

It turns out compiled binary libraries take space, go figure.

38 3y ago
not 10 GB though. especially when similar options can do it in less than 200 MB: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases I would be eager to hear actual data in further replies, rather than guesses.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  It isn't similar, does not offer support for all kinds of Windows development.
  - 38 3y ago
    right, I dont want that. If I am using Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ too, I dont want or need the full Visual Studio experience. and even with the Visual C++ tools or whatever its called, you still end up installing gigabytes of nonsense.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      It is not nonsence for doing systems programming in Windows. Apple and Google development SDKs, or any commercial OS, have similar sizes for the SDKs. Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming.
      - 38 3y ago
        > Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming. I care about a minimal set of tools in order to compile C/C++ programs. thats offered by: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases and also MSYS2, and even the Zig C compiler. all less than 200 MB. meanwhile Visual Studio installing about 10 GB worth. If Microsoft can offer a similar experience then I am interested.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Yeah, but that isn't systems programming on Windows.
        38 3y ago
        what I want is to have tools to compile C/C++ programs. until microsoft offers a minimal package like this, visual C++ is generally a poor choice for any compilation of C/C++ programs, because of the bloated nature of the current offerings.