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There are some American nuances here, although that's 100% relevant for Amazon, I have to put here that some of that business models do not exist in Europe. St

There are some American nuances here, although that's 100% relevant for Amazon, I have to put here that some of that business models do not exist in Europe. Stuff mentioned is chiefly state or city owned in Europe and works in different ways. There are no toll booths outside of motorways, the roads are free. People commute by public transport, which is mostly not private. Utilities also; although open market exists, it's always the main company (in most cases owned by country) and alternatives. In my area 15 y.o business space lease doesn't exist. My family company had a 5 year lease contract in the 90s. Nowadays owners want even lesser contracts because the property market is very volatile and prices tend to surge up and not down. This creates problems for normal living space rental, because most of people do not want long term tenants. They want to raise the price every year. Although these kind of models suffer losses in quarantine, they don't suffer managerial loss of profit and they don't have same goals. The point of a city owned bus transport company is to exist and provide decent service for lowest amount of money. There is not a "this is not feasible for me anymore, not bringing enough profit" situation.

mschuster91 3y ago
> There are no toll booths outside of motorways, the roads are free. People commute by public transport, which is mostly not private. Note, I'm German (living in Munich) myself, but most of the problems are valid here just as well. Public transport for example... the Deutsche Bahn, Berlin's BVG or Munich's MVG, they all have complained that they continued service during covid at a ridiculous expense and didn't get reimbursed for a large part of the expense, and on top of that now the Deutschlandticket is cutting into income even more.
dagw 3y ago
There are no toll booths outside of motorways I know of lots of European cities where you have to pay to drive into the city. People commute by public transport Again, while less common than in the US, commuting by car is incredibly common in Europe as well. I can see one of the main roads into my city from my window and it is bumper to bumper traffic every morning and afternoon.
- zare_st 3y ago
  Probably city car congestion fees. Can you give me example of private highways (like in Texas) in EU? Is it even possible for a private entity to gather land and build road in Europe? As far as I followed (no expert on the topic), it's always state that buys land and then gives concession to the private operator, that's sometimes done for motorways. Yes commuting by car is common worldwide but there are no megapolises in Europe that have acute public transport issues, example L.A. area. Nothing is absolute of course, but EU is far more friendly towards non-car usage than USA. You can set a range between best and worst. Worst would be rural mid America and Balkan/eastern parts of the EU, where you need a vehicle 100% if you want to be on time on destination. Best part of the EU would probably be Benelux where you can move with train/bike combination seamlessly everywhere. That part has no analogy in USA.

mschuster91 3y ago

> There are no toll booths outside of motorways, the roads are free. People commute by public transport, which is mostly not private. Note, I'm German (living in Munich) myself, but most of the problems are valid here just as well. Public transport for example... the Deutsche Bahn, Berlin's BVG or Munich's MVG, they all have complained that they continued service during covid at a ridiculous expense and didn't get reimbursed for a large part of the expense, and on top of that now the Deutschlandticket is cutting into income even more.

dagw 3y ago

There are no toll booths outside of motorways I know of lots of European cities where you have to pay to drive into the city. People commute by public transport Again, while less common than in the US, commuting by car is incredibly common in Europe as well. I can see one of the main roads into my city from my window and it is bumper to bumper traffic every morning and afternoon.

zare_st 3y ago
Probably city car congestion fees. Can you give me example of private highways (like in Texas) in EU? Is it even possible for a private entity to gather land and build road in Europe? As far as I followed (no expert on the topic), it's always state that buys land and then gives concession to the private operator, that's sometimes done for motorways. Yes commuting by car is common worldwide but there are no megapolises in Europe that have acute public transport issues, example L.A. area. Nothing is absolute of course, but EU is far more friendly towards non-car usage than USA. You can set a range between best and worst. Worst would be rural mid America and Balkan/eastern parts of the EU, where you need a vehicle 100% if you want to be on time on destination. Best part of the EU would probably be Benelux where you can move with train/bike combination seamlessly everywhere. That part has no analogy in USA.