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Does this not remove the ability for individuals to negotiate up past a certain point?

wccrawford 3y ago
This is hiring salary only, so it removes some negotiation there, but other benefits and future raises can still be negotiated for. Also, I'm not sure what happens if they offer more than that to someone after posting the offer. I suspect offering lower would be would be lawsuit time... But I don't think a higher offer is that much of a problem.
danaris 3y ago
Personally, I don't feel like having a higher skill at bullshitting and persuading people that is utterly unrelated to the job should get you paid more for the same work. (If the job is sales, then negotiating for higher pay could just be part of proving your skill, of course.)
shortrounddev2 3y ago
I think most people aren't in a position to negotiate salary
lesuorac 3y ago
Can you flesh out the scenario that you have in mind? As far as I'm concerned, if you wanted 250k but the Jr. Dev's range caps at 220k then you can still negotiate to be hired as a Dev. But if you wanted 250k and the Jr. Dev caps at 240k I think it's pretty reasonable for them to hire you at 250k as a Jr. Dev and just say that when they made the ad they reasonably believed the maximum salary was 240k. > [1] A pay range must include a minimum and maximum annual salary or hourly rate of compensation for a job, promotion, or transfer opportunity that the employer in good faith believes to be accurate at the time of the posting. [1]: https://dol.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/09/p687-pay-transparency-law-for-employers.pdf https://dol.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/09/p687-pay-t...
michaelt 3y ago
Not really - just now you'll be negotiating job title instead of salary. Instead of negotiating for another $20k, you'll be negotiating to add prefixes like 'Senior' and 'Staff' and 'Architect' to your title, which will be worth $20k each.

This is hiring salary only, so it removes some negotiation there, but other benefits and future raises can still be negotiated for. Also, I'm not sure what happens if they offer more than that to someone after posting the offer. I suspect offering lower would be would be lawsuit time... But I don't think a higher offer is that much of a problem.

danaris 3y ago

Personally, I don't feel like having a higher skill at bullshitting and persuading people that is utterly unrelated to the job should get you paid more for the same work. (If the job is sales, then negotiating for higher pay could just be part of proving your skill, of course.)

shortrounddev2 3y ago

I think most people aren't in a position to negotiate salary

lesuorac 3y ago

Can you flesh out the scenario that you have in mind? As far as I'm concerned, if you wanted 250k but the Jr. Dev's range caps at 220k then you can still negotiate to be hired as a Dev. But if you wanted 250k and the Jr. Dev caps at 240k I think it's pretty reasonable for them to hire you at 250k as a Jr. Dev and just say that when they made the ad they reasonably believed the maximum salary was 240k. > [1] A pay range must include a minimum and maximum annual salary or hourly rate of compensation for a job, promotion, or transfer opportunity that the employer in good faith believes to be accurate at the time of the posting. [1]: https://dol.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/09/p687-pay-transparency-law-for-employers.pdf https://dol.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/09/p687-pay-t...

michaelt 3y ago

Not really - just now you'll be negotiating job title instead of salary. Instead of negotiating for another $20k, you'll be negotiating to add prefixes like 'Senior' and 'Staff' and 'Architect' to your title, which will be worth $20k each.