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To beat China and their unacceptable values we must become china PS: this was Sarcasm people

NickC25 3y ago
No, we must beat them by showing the world that there's a better way. Unfortunately, allowing our corporations to take a shit on the rules of law and get their way in court because "trade secrets" is more like China than we'd like to admit. This is akin to "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". Special rules for special corporations who cry "trade secrets" when called out for bad behavior. Yuck.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
In practice, what happens is that these values are slowly made more acceptable. "Think of the children" to make privacy violation more acceptable; "They are terrorists" to make human rights violations more acceptable; "Drain the swamp" or "The election was stolen" to make insurrection more acceptable; "Protect our women" to make transphobia more acceptable. That kinda thing. It's happening everywhere.
- hubco 3y ago
  > In practice, what happens is that these values are slowly made more acceptable. > "Protect our women" to make transphobia more acceptable. This is itself a reaction to unacceptable values being imposed, namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity. The pushback is because so many women are standing up and saying no, we don't accept this incursion on our rights and dignity.
  - psd1 3y ago
    I can help! Stop insisting that trans women are men, then there is no problem.
    - hubco 3y ago
      They are men, whether you like it or not. Men who desire to be women, or who just call themselves women, for whatever reason. No-one should be compelled to accept a false, reality-denying belief as if it were true. This absurd assertion that some men are women is a particularly pernicious falsehood.
      - thfuran 3y ago
        Why is that particularly pernicious?
      - psd1 3y ago
        You act like that's settled fact. It's just your opinion. The opinion itself isn't the problem, it's when you want to hurt an out-group that it becomes a problem. Personally, I despise a bully, especially am adult one. On your opinion, it takes no account of edge cases. Occasionally, humans are born with XXY chromosomes. Occasionally humans are born with both male and female genitals. Occasionally humans are born chimaeric, with different DNA in different parts of their bodies. It's biological fact that the distinction between male and female is blurry. We're on HN, I expect you already know this. If you didn't know this, then, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. Either way, your opinion is not based in fact. I take it you'll be a little less rigid on this topic?
        hubco 3y ago
        You have conflated two groups of people: those with rare disorders of sexual development, and men who demand access to women's and girls' spaces while pretending to be women. Using the existence of the former group as a rhetorical shield for the intrusive behaviour of the latter isn't at all convincing. It's quite clear from your comments that you elevate male desires above the dignity and safety of women. I hope you can reflect on your misogyny and perhaps even start to respect women as equals rather than second class citizens to be subjugated to the wants of men.
        psd1 3y ago
  - thfuran 3y ago
    >namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity. What?
    - hubco 3y ago
      > > namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity > What? Men who desire to be women forcing their way into women's and girls' spaces, and who keep advocating for the law to be changed, where it isn't already, so they can keep getting away with this.

No, we must beat them by showing the world that there's a better way. Unfortunately, allowing our corporations to take a shit on the rules of law and get their way in court because "trade secrets" is more like China than we'd like to admit. This is akin to "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". Special rules for special corporations who cry "trade secrets" when called out for bad behavior. Yuck.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

In practice, what happens is that these values are slowly made more acceptable. "Think of the children" to make privacy violation more acceptable; "They are terrorists" to make human rights violations more acceptable; "Drain the swamp" or "The election was stolen" to make insurrection more acceptable; "Protect our women" to make transphobia more acceptable. That kinda thing. It's happening everywhere.

hubco 3y ago
> In practice, what happens is that these values are slowly made more acceptable. > "Protect our women" to make transphobia more acceptable. This is itself a reaction to unacceptable values being imposed, namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity. The pushback is because so many women are standing up and saying no, we don't accept this incursion on our rights and dignity.
- psd1 3y ago
  I can help! Stop insisting that trans women are men, then there is no problem.
  - hubco 3y ago
    They are men, whether you like it or not. Men who desire to be women, or who just call themselves women, for whatever reason. No-one should be compelled to accept a false, reality-denying belief as if it were true. This absurd assertion that some men are women is a particularly pernicious falsehood.
    - thfuran 3y ago
      Why is that particularly pernicious?
    - psd1 3y ago
      You act like that's settled fact. It's just your opinion. The opinion itself isn't the problem, it's when you want to hurt an out-group that it becomes a problem. Personally, I despise a bully, especially am adult one. On your opinion, it takes no account of edge cases. Occasionally, humans are born with XXY chromosomes. Occasionally humans are born with both male and female genitals. Occasionally humans are born chimaeric, with different DNA in different parts of their bodies. It's biological fact that the distinction between male and female is blurry. We're on HN, I expect you already know this. If you didn't know this, then, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. Either way, your opinion is not based in fact. I take it you'll be a little less rigid on this topic?
      - hubco 3y ago
        You have conflated two groups of people: those with rare disorders of sexual development, and men who demand access to women's and girls' spaces while pretending to be women. Using the existence of the former group as a rhetorical shield for the intrusive behaviour of the latter isn't at all convincing. It's quite clear from your comments that you elevate male desires above the dignity and safety of women. I hope you can reflect on your misogyny and perhaps even start to respect women as equals rather than second class citizens to be subjugated to the wants of men.
        psd1 3y ago
- thfuran 3y ago
  >namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity. What?
  - hubco 3y ago
    > > namely that a subset of men should be allowed to disregard women's boundaries and consent with impunity > What? Men who desire to be women forcing their way into women's and girls' spaces, and who keep advocating for the law to be changed, where it isn't already, so they can keep getting away with this.