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Not good for a company to receive funds from investors that we now know stole and grifted from their customers. Wonder if this company is all just smoke and mi

by xyst 3y ago

Not good for a company to receive funds from investors that we now know stole and grifted from their customers. Wonder if this company is all just smoke and mirrors at this point. Never heard of this company prior to the Amazon investment. Kind of reminds me of the Amazon and Rivian partnership. This nobody EV company gets an investment from Amazon, interest/hype boosts potential revenue/preorders. Valuations spike to billions. IPO debuts at ~$120/share. Insiders sell shares. Hype wears off. Now it’s trading at ~$21/share.

ianhawes 3y ago
Claude 2 is probably the closest competitor to GPT-4 at this point. If you haven’t heard of them before it’s because you weren’t paying attention.
- j0hnyl 3y ago
  +1 - Anthropic is doing cool stuff. I recommend playing with it. You can upload files directly and it has token limit of 100k.
edgyquant 3y ago
Anthropic is known for having a model with a context nearly 3x that of ChatGPT. You must not be following LLMs very closely
- benreesman 3y ago
  As someone who had been rabidly following developments in the space until earlier this year: I’ve fallen a bit behind. I’be been walking around with the (seemingly misguided) view that the bigger LLaMA 2 models were sort of neck and neck with like 3.5-turbo, Claude, and the rest of the first string modulo GPT-4 that had a pretty steady if eroding lead. What’s the lay of the land in 9/23? Or better yet, what do I need to bookmark to get the inside baseball?
  - p1esk 3y ago
    Don’t worry, GPT-4 is still the best.
    - benreesman 3y ago
      Water cooler chat is that it’s a 1.5 terraweight, 16-way mixture model that is running at a loss on inference for paying customers. If that’s true it fucking better be.
      - p1esk 3y ago
        This should not have stopped any of FAANGs from competing (especially Google), and yet they are still far behind OpenAI - more than a year after GPT-4 was trained.
benreesman 3y ago
I’m no fan of the people you’re talking about myself. But once we start going down that road we run smack on into companies with like the sovereign wealth fund in Riyadh or (to my embarrassment) Thiel or any number of people who make SBF look like the clueless, entitled, amoral but ultimately strictly small-change knucklehead he is. There are some truly scary people invested in important companies. Do we hold all the founders to account for that or none of them? It’s not fair to pick and choose.
- jychang 3y ago
  Yeah, we should totally put our trust in founders who would gladly accept money from immoral sources. We need to understand that society only values who moves first. The early bird gets the worm. If they want to play the game, they need to raise funds from people who truly understand power and money, regardless of the human cost. /s
  - benreesman 3y ago
    Altman scared the fuck out of me a decade ago. And if I had told anyone five years ago that there would be eyeball scanners building a privately-held biometrics database at a level recently considered extreme for violent criminals? What letter anon would that have sounded like? I would have been like easy there mom, no one is doing that. Are we allowed to talk about Loopt and Greenpoint and OpenAI and Autodesk and Siebel taking a year in Thailand while Socialcam flew into the side of a mountain on HN? Or do they get a pass?
    - throwbigdata 3y ago
      Yes, you are. Now, what are you talking about?
      - benreesman 3y ago
        The broader point is that I think a lot of successful tech figures get a pretty unfair rap on HN. Few if any of these folks are stirring candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize, but Bezos or Mark or Elon or even Gates being uniquely bad? Altman, with the full weight and backing of YC in its prime and a clear first-mover advantage got bailed out of the Loopt debacle [1] in a deal with Green Dot that maybe scraped above the “fire sale” line and is trivially the most celebrated person in the program to not merit an “I made something people want” shirt. pg helped, Conway helped, they got it sort of cashed out in a way that didn’t exactly fuck anyone sideways (other than Green Dot). He proceeded to fail upwards through preferential access to pre-IPO AirBnB shares and shit, became the leader of YC, and is now busily turning the world into Blade Runner 2023. Seibel was running Socialcam at a time when anyone working at or near FB knew it was a ranking glitch, pawned it off on Autodesk for 60MM [2] saying with a straight face it was the next YouTube, and promptly started inconsistently replying to emails titled “Where the fuck are you?”. Also ran YC. Are these guys uniquely bad? Debatable, this is how the game is played apparently. But it would be nice to enjoy your ill-gotten gains without a relentlessly resourceful [3] PR campaign about how we’re dealing with some real humanitarian visionaries. All I’m proposing is that if we trash Elon, then Altman doesn’t get a free ride. n.b. A lot of that is me claiming things (that I heard from people in the room) that are merely alluded to in primary and secondary sources, so it’ll be up to you to judge if it has what they call “the ring of truth”. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopt [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialcam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialcam [3] http://www.paulgraham.com/relres.html http://www.paulgraham.com/relres.html
lsaferite 3y ago
Claude is pretty amazing actually. With it's 100k context widow it can do some interesting things

by xyst 3y ago

ianhawes 3y ago

Claude 2 is probably the closest competitor to GPT-4 at this point. If you haven’t heard of them before it’s because you weren’t paying attention.

j0hnyl 3y ago
+1 - Anthropic is doing cool stuff. I recommend playing with it. You can upload files directly and it has token limit of 100k.

edgyquant 3y ago

Anthropic is known for having a model with a context nearly 3x that of ChatGPT. You must not be following LLMs very closely

benreesman 3y ago
As someone who had been rabidly following developments in the space until earlier this year: I’ve fallen a bit behind. I’be been walking around with the (seemingly misguided) view that the bigger LLaMA 2 models were sort of neck and neck with like 3.5-turbo, Claude, and the rest of the first string modulo GPT-4 that had a pretty steady if eroding lead. What’s the lay of the land in 9/23? Or better yet, what do I need to bookmark to get the inside baseball?
- p1esk 3y ago
  Don’t worry, GPT-4 is still the best.
  - benreesman 3y ago
    Water cooler chat is that it’s a 1.5 terraweight, 16-way mixture model that is running at a loss on inference for paying customers. If that’s true it fucking better be.
    - p1esk 3y ago
      This should not have stopped any of FAANGs from competing (especially Google), and yet they are still far behind OpenAI - more than a year after GPT-4 was trained.

benreesman 3y ago

I’m no fan of the people you’re talking about myself. But once we start going down that road we run smack on into companies with like the sovereign wealth fund in Riyadh or (to my embarrassment) Thiel or any number of people who make SBF look like the clueless, entitled, amoral but ultimately strictly small-change knucklehead he is. There are some truly scary people invested in important companies. Do we hold all the founders to account for that or none of them? It’s not fair to pick and choose.

jychang 3y ago
Yeah, we should totally put our trust in founders who would gladly accept money from immoral sources. We need to understand that society only values who moves first. The early bird gets the worm. If they want to play the game, they need to raise funds from people who truly understand power and money, regardless of the human cost. /s
- benreesman 3y ago
  Altman scared the fuck out of me a decade ago. And if I had told anyone five years ago that there would be eyeball scanners building a privately-held biometrics database at a level recently considered extreme for violent criminals? What letter anon would that have sounded like? I would have been like easy there mom, no one is doing that. Are we allowed to talk about Loopt and Greenpoint and OpenAI and Autodesk and Siebel taking a year in Thailand while Socialcam flew into the side of a mountain on HN? Or do they get a pass?
  - throwbigdata 3y ago
    Yes, you are. Now, what are you talking about?
    - benreesman 3y ago
      The broader point is that I think a lot of successful tech figures get a pretty unfair rap on HN. Few if any of these folks are stirring candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize, but Bezos or Mark or Elon or even Gates being uniquely bad? Altman, with the full weight and backing of YC in its prime and a clear first-mover advantage got bailed out of the Loopt debacle [1] in a deal with Green Dot that maybe scraped above the “fire sale” line and is trivially the most celebrated person in the program to not merit an “I made something people want” shirt. pg helped, Conway helped, they got it sort of cashed out in a way that didn’t exactly fuck anyone sideways (other than Green Dot). He proceeded to fail upwards through preferential access to pre-IPO AirBnB shares and shit, became the leader of YC, and is now busily turning the world into Blade Runner 2023. Seibel was running Socialcam at a time when anyone working at or near FB knew it was a ranking glitch, pawned it off on Autodesk for 60MM [2] saying with a straight face it was the next YouTube, and promptly started inconsistently replying to emails titled “Where the fuck are you?”. Also ran YC. Are these guys uniquely bad? Debatable, this is how the game is played apparently. But it would be nice to enjoy your ill-gotten gains without a relentlessly resourceful [3] PR campaign about how we’re dealing with some real humanitarian visionaries. All I’m proposing is that if we trash Elon, then Altman doesn’t get a free ride. n.b. A lot of that is me claiming things (that I heard from people in the room) that are merely alluded to in primary and secondary sources, so it’ll be up to you to judge if it has what they call “the ring of truth”. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopt [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialcam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialcam [3] http://www.paulgraham.com/relres.html http://www.paulgraham.com/relres.html

lsaferite 3y ago

Claude is pretty amazing actually. With it's 100k context widow it can do some interesting things