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The interesting thing about HN is, although they are incredibly smug, arrogant and often incorrect, at least you can sense that you communicating with smart peo
by pc_edwin 3y ago
The interesting thing about HN is, although they are incredibly smug, arrogant and often incorrect, at least you can sense that you communicating with smart people. I can assure you, you're not one of them and that makes things pretty tricky for me. To make it worse, although you just called me unhinged you didn't get downvoted or flagged but if I follow suit I will get eviscerated (trust me I tried) and partly its because I can be uhh a little colourful especially in questioning peoples mental capacity.
> ...closer to the unhoused than the rich people who own and run things
Somebody will always own and run things (impossible otherwise). Even the marxists understood this, thats why you have the dictatorship of the proletariat. They tell you its only temporary until the perpetual motion machine is finished, meanwhile they will just keep the god emperor seat warm you know.
Anyways, its not only incredibly silly to even aim towards building such structures, its also immoral. These blowups that happen every time your kin try these ideas are not an accident (i mean..), its a direct result of the moral narratives that drive you people.
The guy that fills up grocery store shelves should be worth 300-400 times less than Elon Musk (IMO even less). A society that puts Elon musk in the same realm as that guy (20x-50x), is a deeply immoral society. A society that values AOC (former bartender) and Bernie Sanders (former hippie that never had a real job) higher than Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Jamie Dimond etc deserves to burn to the ground. There is something deeply rotten about such a society, its parasitic.
Btw you could similar claims the other way around, there would something wrong about a society where the middle class is shrinking and you have this uneven duality of peasants vs aristocracy. I may even agree that in many ways we are headed that direction.
The difference is I think the blame for that can be almost entirely put on your kin. I suggest you look into the Cantillon Effect. What we are facing now are the consequences of FDR era (& subsequent) socialist policies. The check always comes due. You cant create something out nothing. For every dollar, somebody is on the liability side. You can let the barbarians invade the country (short term deflationary), you can create neo-colonialism through the IMF & World Bank (Alex Gladstein IMF) (deflationary), you can move factories to poor countries (deflationary) but at some point the chickens will come home to roost. At some point you will have to pay the pied piper.
At some point the nation that has 50-60 hour weeks for their automobile industry will favoured by nature over the nation that forces its automakers to provide 32 hours weeks (4 days). At some point the nation that reveres and empowers their best people will win and latter will be in ruins. Just like how the management & shareholders of Ford deserves to get wiped out for enabling unions, the nation that betrays its competent, conscientious, industrious class deserves to be wiped out.
- pc_edwin 3y agoP.S. I think the Elon musk point is a key difference. You guys have a massive reality distortion where you either entirely or mostly discount that value of capital allocator class whether if its human or actual capital. There seems to be some notion that the Elon, Collison brothers, Toby Lutke, Sam Altman etc are just people who got lucky to win the "owner class" lottery. In reality these people are barely human, they should be revered and we as a society should aim to be more like them. There is a saying popularised by the founder of this forum that goes something like (really paraphrasing) you wanna start young & naive as a founder since nobody in their right minds would put themselves through this. Its the equivalent of playing a jailbroken game where you manually set difficulty above hardcore. You need to be top percentile of everything (IQ, EQ, creativity, industriousness etc)just as tablestakes and now you get opportunity to compete against freaks just like you. You can tick all the boxes, sacrifice your life (tunnel vision) to work like a slave and still lose. Even if you win, now you gotta win again and again. Its really not even close, the asymmetry is insane. Yes there are exceptions (nepo-babies, trust fund kids etc) but usually the former eats these peoples lunches given enough time. Thats why wealth never stays in the same family for more than a few generations. Btw in your utopia, Bernie Sanders (a hippie that got kicked out of a commune for being a bum) will be valued more than those people I described. Let me repeat you would rather value the former bartender AOC more than people who can retire multiple times over but choose instead to work 70 hour weeks in service of humanity.
- louwrentius 3y agoThere is a saying popularised by the founder of this forum that goes something like (really paraphrasing) you wanna start young & naive as a founder since nobody in their right minds would put themselves through this. Paul Graham is laughing so hard that young people work themselves to death for him, and the vast majority ends up with nothing and may be worse off, and it costs PG pocket change. Useful idiots who were naïve and bought the narrative you seem to swallow with such zeal. Those people you keep name dropping are all extremely privileged due to inheritance or connections and so on. And rich people can try multiple times, but poor people have effectively one shot, if they have one at all (due to lack of opportunity / inequality). I will always value a bartender more over any billionaire that hoards money through wage theft, Union busting, tax evasion, and so on. You can’t be ethical and a billionaire at the same time. Because those billions can only be accrued by extreme wage theft.