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... why?

expertentipp 3y ago
Requiring to upload full portfolio and diplomas in the first step with probability of success as in any other job application, and the salaries... ehhh you're expected to live off "the prestige".
- tehCorner 3y ago
  Salaries are specified in the "job grade" section, which it's linked salary it's public here: https://careers.cern/salary-conditions https://careers.cern/salary-conditions also, if I recall properly of my time there salary was free of taxes :)
  - expertentipp 3y ago
    The second highest is 108k CHF annually so we're looking rather at something around 70k. In Zurich. As a new arrival one is always expected to "put their foot in the door" and once you walk in, you learn you don't belong.
    - rspoerri 3y ago
      It is an entry-level salary. So if it is comparable to most other Swiss salaries for higher education, it will be able to increase by at least 70%.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        But as a tech worker I can expect, screw that, demand at least 320k for a junior role! Otherwise I will be poooooor! /s Sometimes the VC-backed bubble entitlement is nothing short of stunning.
        expertentipp 3y ago
        > demand at least 320k Instead there is "we think 70k is a fair salary (please don't look at our housing market)"... I don't think either of the amounts is reasonable.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Depends with whom you compare youself. First, as others pointed out, CERN is 100k for an entry level position that is tax excempt. Second, while I don't know about Zurich, 70k are enough to live a comfortable live in Munich. Not sure whatelse people wanr, because 70k is way above what most people in, in my example, Munich earn, and those people live as well. Maybe people should step out of their pseudo-rich bubble and become a little bit more modest. Also, not measuring everything based on one figure, e.g. yearly salary, propably improves live quality quite a bit.
        expertentipp 3y ago
        This all might be true if housing is somehow not a problem. Otherwise one is forced to climb up from the bottom-most layer of a pit of scams and abuse.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Since when is housing not part of living? My example explicitly includes housing / renting in one of the most expensive cities in Germany.
        expertentipp 3y ago
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        dang 3y ago
        You've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines a ton lately. If that keeps up, we're going to have to ban your account. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review the rules and stick to them? We want thoughtful, substantive, and above all curious conversation here. We don't want snark, name-calling, or flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - MasterScrat 3y ago
    And also they pay for your health insurance, which in Switzerland is far from negligible
- deleted 3y ago
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... why?

Requiring to upload full portfolio and diplomas in the first step with probability of success as in any other job application, and the salaries... ehhh you're expected to live off "the prestige".

tehCorner 3y ago
Salaries are specified in the "job grade" section, which it's linked salary it's public here: https://careers.cern/salary-conditions https://careers.cern/salary-conditions also, if I recall properly of my time there salary was free of taxes :)
- expertentipp 3y ago
  The second highest is 108k CHF annually so we're looking rather at something around 70k. In Zurich. As a new arrival one is always expected to "put their foot in the door" and once you walk in, you learn you don't belong.
  - rspoerri 3y ago
    It is an entry-level salary. So if it is comparable to most other Swiss salaries for higher education, it will be able to increase by at least 70%.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      But as a tech worker I can expect, screw that, demand at least 320k for a junior role! Otherwise I will be poooooor! /s Sometimes the VC-backed bubble entitlement is nothing short of stunning.
      - expertentipp 3y ago
        > demand at least 320k Instead there is "we think 70k is a fair salary (please don't look at our housing market)"... I don't think either of the amounts is reasonable.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Depends with whom you compare youself. First, as others pointed out, CERN is 100k for an entry level position that is tax excempt. Second, while I don't know about Zurich, 70k are enough to live a comfortable live in Munich. Not sure whatelse people wanr, because 70k is way above what most people in, in my example, Munich earn, and those people live as well. Maybe people should step out of their pseudo-rich bubble and become a little bit more modest. Also, not measuring everything based on one figure, e.g. yearly salary, propably improves live quality quite a bit.
        expertentipp 3y ago
        This all might be true if housing is somehow not a problem. Otherwise one is forced to climb up from the bottom-most layer of a pit of scams and abuse.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Since when is housing not part of living? My example explicitly includes housing / renting in one of the most expensive cities in Germany.
        expertentipp 3y ago
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        dang 3y ago
        You've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines a ton lately. If that keeps up, we're going to have to ban your account. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review the rules and stick to them? We want thoughtful, substantive, and above all curious conversation here. We don't want snark, name-calling, or flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- MasterScrat 3y ago
  And also they pay for your health insurance, which in Switzerland is far from negligible
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