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EU has regulation that every car (newer than 2018) has to be connected. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-emergencies/emergency-assistan

EU has regulation that every car (newer than 2018) has to be connected. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-emergencies/emergency-assistance-vehicles-ecall/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-em... EU in general advocates for monitoring, not against it. If you think GDPR is an example of anti-monitoring regulation, read it carefully - there are exceptions for monitoring, practically every clause says "unless required to track by law" and "doesn't apply to the state".

mdp2021 3y ago
According to that page, > Your eCall system is only activated if your vehicle is involved in a serious accident. The rest of the time the system remains inactive. This means that when you are simply driving your vehicle, no tracking (registering your car's position or monitoring your driving) or transmission of data takes place the problem is, implementation is left to manufacturers, so it has to be verified whether each eCall card actually, really «remains inactive».
- throwaway69070 3y ago
  Indeed. And there is no option to disable the behavior - so the user has lost control over their own vehicle. It's similar to how PSD2 demanded specific payment flows and thus Google Pay was born - yeah they could have implemented it in a more privacy-friendly way (like Apple did), but they didn't - and EU demands the flows, so card-like payments without an online backend are no longer possible with your phone. Thanks EU!
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    > no option to disable the behavior Actually, the directive specifies that the eCall must be implemented so that it cannot be disabled by the user but can be disabled by the manufacturer. > specific payment flows ... online backend Similarly, europe's demand that the feature of internet services are provided for all payment channels seems to be one of the reasons why channels that did not use NFC - simpler ones - have disappeared. Forcing the model "money can be taken from you without your actful, explicit consent", through radio-enabled cards. The european union has destroyed a good amount of civilization.
    - throwaway69070 3y ago
      My physical card doesn't need to be connected to a backend. My bank had an app that was able to work like a card - I could be offline and still use it. They had to cancel that app because of PSD2. Destruction of a good amount of civilization indeed! Now Google gets my payment data, I have to be online to pay with my phone, and I have to tolerate Google spyware on my phone instead of using a clean AOSP without any Google apps/services like I used to. Thanks EU, you're keeping my data safely in Google's hands!!!

mdp2021 3y ago

According to that page, > Your eCall system is only activated if your vehicle is involved in a serious accident. The rest of the time the system remains inactive. This means that when you are simply driving your vehicle, no tracking (registering your car's position or monitoring your driving) or transmission of data takes place the problem is, implementation is left to manufacturers, so it has to be verified whether each eCall card actually, really «remains inactive».

throwaway69070 3y ago
Indeed. And there is no option to disable the behavior - so the user has lost control over their own vehicle. It's similar to how PSD2 demanded specific payment flows and thus Google Pay was born - yeah they could have implemented it in a more privacy-friendly way (like Apple did), but they didn't - and EU demands the flows, so card-like payments without an online backend are no longer possible with your phone. Thanks EU!
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > no option to disable the behavior Actually, the directive specifies that the eCall must be implemented so that it cannot be disabled by the user but can be disabled by the manufacturer. > specific payment flows ... online backend Similarly, europe's demand that the feature of internet services are provided for all payment channels seems to be one of the reasons why channels that did not use NFC - simpler ones - have disappeared. Forcing the model "money can be taken from you without your actful, explicit consent", through radio-enabled cards. The european union has destroyed a good amount of civilization.
  - throwaway69070 3y ago
    My physical card doesn't need to be connected to a backend. My bank had an app that was able to work like a card - I could be offline and still use it. They had to cancel that app because of PSD2. Destruction of a good amount of civilization indeed! Now Google gets my payment data, I have to be online to pay with my phone, and I have to tolerate Google spyware on my phone instead of using a clean AOSP without any Google apps/services like I used to. Thanks EU, you're keeping my data safely in Google's hands!!!