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You still prompt AI.

by cf141q5325 3y ago

jplusequalt 3y ago
But your prompt is merely a suggestion to the AI model. You aren't the one making the image.
- cf141q5325 3y ago
  This is stemming from a conviction about where the difficulty in the creation process is at. That changes with technological advances. Automation often makes practical skills economically worthless.
  - jplusequalt 3y ago
    Art is separate from economics. It has existed before there were markets or even complex societies. Also, the amount of effort is not what determines art. However, I think art requires one to be the actor in the process that generates the work. The big issue I have with AI art is that you could have very clear image in mind that you wish to generate, and spend lots of time tweaking your prompt to the model, but you will never get the image you had in mind, because there is disconnect between you and the machine. Your imagination doesn't extend across the screen.
    - cf141q5325 3y ago
      >The big issue I have with AI art is that you could have very clear image in mind that you wish to generate, and spend lots of time tweaking your prompt to the model, but you will never get the image you had in mind, because there is disconnect between you and the machine. Your imagination doesn't extend across the screen. Couldnt you say the same about pen and pencil? Or any other medium? Turning imagination into something physical/digital/real always entails loss. This might be a matter of a few more iterations of better usability. If you are able to put the the limits of the machine representation of your imagination into words they might iteratively vanish. You wont connect your imagination to a machine but to words. Posts were also about creativity and design in the context of copyright thus the focus on economics. Art for its own sake as a personal pursuit doesnt really relate to that perspective. Unless you want to trade in other currencies (fame and number of impressions) in which case its the age old competition of what is able to speak to people on a deeper level. For which the representation is often less important then the idea / perspective and how that is able to resonate with people. For that the medium is just that, a medium.
bugglebeetle 3y ago
I place take-out orders as well. Doesn’t make me a chef.
- cf141q5325 3y ago
  Given sufficient technological advances some skills might become practically meaningless in the economy. The idea might be where its at. Handloomers also thought they brought something worth while to the table. Most takeout today is also warmed up according to strict recipe. "Sandwich artists" arent chefs either. And even the initial recipe is designed for mass reproducibility and supply chain feasibility over taste. You still get food but a lot fewer people employed as actual chefs doing chef stuff. edit: Removed unsensible comparison
gamblor956 3y ago
And prompts can be copyrighted, like computer code. That is not what the conflict over AI is about.
kyriakos 3y ago
You can copyright the prompt but not the result generated by AI when fed the prompt

You still prompt AI.

jplusequalt 3y ago

But your prompt is merely a suggestion to the AI model. You aren't the one making the image.

cf141q5325 3y ago
This is stemming from a conviction about where the difficulty in the creation process is at. That changes with technological advances. Automation often makes practical skills economically worthless.
- jplusequalt 3y ago
  Art is separate from economics. It has existed before there were markets or even complex societies. Also, the amount of effort is not what determines art. However, I think art requires one to be the actor in the process that generates the work. The big issue I have with AI art is that you could have very clear image in mind that you wish to generate, and spend lots of time tweaking your prompt to the model, but you will never get the image you had in mind, because there is disconnect between you and the machine. Your imagination doesn't extend across the screen.
  - cf141q5325 3y ago
    >The big issue I have with AI art is that you could have very clear image in mind that you wish to generate, and spend lots of time tweaking your prompt to the model, but you will never get the image you had in mind, because there is disconnect between you and the machine. Your imagination doesn't extend across the screen. Couldnt you say the same about pen and pencil? Or any other medium? Turning imagination into something physical/digital/real always entails loss. This might be a matter of a few more iterations of better usability. If you are able to put the the limits of the machine representation of your imagination into words they might iteratively vanish. You wont connect your imagination to a machine but to words. Posts were also about creativity and design in the context of copyright thus the focus on economics. Art for its own sake as a personal pursuit doesnt really relate to that perspective. Unless you want to trade in other currencies (fame and number of impressions) in which case its the age old competition of what is able to speak to people on a deeper level. For which the representation is often less important then the idea / perspective and how that is able to resonate with people. For that the medium is just that, a medium.

bugglebeetle 3y ago

I place take-out orders as well. Doesn’t make me a chef.

cf141q5325 3y ago
Given sufficient technological advances some skills might become practically meaningless in the economy. The idea might be where its at. Handloomers also thought they brought something worth while to the table. Most takeout today is also warmed up according to strict recipe. "Sandwich artists" arent chefs either. And even the initial recipe is designed for mass reproducibility and supply chain feasibility over taste. You still get food but a lot fewer people employed as actual chefs doing chef stuff. edit: Removed unsensible comparison

gamblor956 3y ago

And prompts can be copyrighted, like computer code. That is not what the conflict over AI is about.

kyriakos 3y ago

You can copyright the prompt but not the result generated by AI when fed the prompt