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Was a link between bee population decline and glyphosate use ever proven? I thought I had read that bee populations across Europe had rebounded a few years afte

Was a link between bee population decline and glyphosate use ever proven? I thought I had read that bee populations across Europe had rebounded a few years after the ban came into effect.

rsynnott 3y ago
The EU has never actually banned glyphosate, though some countries ban or restrict its use in residential areas, and Austria has banned it altogether. The 'renewal' in the article is a renewal of its authorisation, not a revocation of a ban. You might be thinking of neonicotinoid pesticides? These were banned a few years back, and if you squint you could conclude that this more or less coincides with bee populations starting to recover.
- mandmandam 3y ago
  Sorry, why is squinting necessary to conclude that stopping the use of neonicotinoids (which collapse bee populations) is responsible for the recovery of bee populations? The evidence for neonicotinoids fucking up bees is robust, despite ghoulish corporate propaganda campaigns screeching otherwise.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    Yeah, it looks good, I just feel like it's a _bit_ early to breathe a sigh of relief and go "okay, bees are good now".
dathinab 3y ago
pretty much nothing negative wrt. glyphosate (if used roughly in proper manner) has been "proper proven" it's just pretty hard to do (even if it has bad effects) EU population also seems to be shrinking not due to anything which makes people less likely to have children but to people having become way more likely to not "want" children for a wide variety of reasons (using a _very_ lousy definition of "want" which includes cases like wishing but feeling that you can't afford it and therefor not wanting). I mean people got way better at not getting children by accident. And the world in general looks much more hostile for the future of children while the standards parents put on themself for what they want to give children have increase by quite a bit and parents treating children as "things" have gotten much rarer (but where pretty much the norm not "that" long ago).
- gambiting 3y ago
  ......how does that relate to OP's question about bee populations though?
  - dathinab 3y ago
    ups, that's a bit embarrassing it doesn't

Was a link between bee population decline and glyphosate use ever proven? I thought I had read that bee populations across Europe had rebounded a few years after the ban came into effect.

rsynnott 3y ago

The EU has never actually banned glyphosate, though some countries ban or restrict its use in residential areas, and Austria has banned it altogether. The 'renewal' in the article is a renewal of its authorisation, not a revocation of a ban. You might be thinking of neonicotinoid pesticides? These were banned a few years back, and if you squint you could conclude that this more or less coincides with bee populations starting to recover.

mandmandam 3y ago
Sorry, why is squinting necessary to conclude that stopping the use of neonicotinoids (which collapse bee populations) is responsible for the recovery of bee populations? The evidence for neonicotinoids fucking up bees is robust, despite ghoulish corporate propaganda campaigns screeching otherwise.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Yeah, it looks good, I just feel like it's a _bit_ early to breathe a sigh of relief and go "okay, bees are good now".

dathinab 3y ago

pretty much nothing negative wrt. glyphosate (if used roughly in proper manner) has been "proper proven" it's just pretty hard to do (even if it has bad effects) EU population also seems to be shrinking not due to anything which makes people less likely to have children but to people having become way more likely to not "want" children for a wide variety of reasons (using a _very_ lousy definition of "want" which includes cases like wishing but feeling that you can't afford it and therefor not wanting). I mean people got way better at not getting children by accident. And the world in general looks much more hostile for the future of children while the standards parents put on themself for what they want to give children have increase by quite a bit and parents treating children as "things" have gotten much rarer (but where pretty much the norm not "that" long ago).

gambiting 3y ago
......how does that relate to OP's question about bee populations though?
- dathinab 3y ago
  ups, that's a bit embarrassing it doesn't