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Let’s fix this. There’s funding already allocated to improve ventilation in schools. Since the coronavirus is endemic we’re going to be dealing with these incre

Let’s fix this. There’s funding already allocated to improve ventilation in schools. Since the coronavirus is endemic we’re going to be dealing with these increased risks for decades. Why can’t we get this done? Let’s actually save the children for once.

flagrant_taco 3y ago
The virus is endemic and, though we weren't supposed to say this before, will continue to circulate and act much like the common cold. Ventilation in schools would be extraordinarily expensive, would only impact that 8 hour period of each kid's day, and with the state of average school buildings in the US we would never seal them up well enough for a positive pressure system to reliably keep them ventilated. Unfortunately we can't just throw money at every problem to fix it. There could be more effective avenues if we want to spend that minry though, revisiting the food our kids eat might be more effective at keeping our kids healthy for example.
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- mullingitover 3y ago
  > would only impact that 8 hour period of each kid's day That 8 hour period of each kid's day where they're surrounded by dozens of other potential disease vectors. The period before they go home and infect their parents, and potentially kill their grandparents. It's expensive but let's be frank, we're okay with thousands of people dying annually because we don't want to spend the money to do anything about it.
  - stevenwoo 3y ago
    Especially when they found that only five minutes of exposure to someone else's exhalation was sufficient to transmit covid-19 with that South Korean restaurant case.
  - flagrant_taco 3y ago
    > The 8 hours of each kid's day where they're surrounded by dozens of other potential disease vectors. Would ventilation really stop this though? Kids will still ride on school busses, play during recess, share classroom supplies, eat in the same cafeteria, etc. Ventilation isn't magic, I don't think there are any ventilation systems that could swap out the air so quickly that kids wouldn't be exposing each other. I also haven't seen any studies in which they retrofitted an average school building and tested transmissability, though I'd be very interested if anyone has a source to such a study. > The period before they go home and infdct their parents, and potentially kill their grandparents. This isn't how infection works. If a kid is exposed at school they won't go home and immediately infect others. I also feel for any child made to think that if they step out of line at all they would kill their grandparents. > It's expensive but let's be frank, we're okay with thousands of people dying annually because we don't want to spend the money to do anything about it. This gets to the question of what gives the most impact for our buck. If saving lives if the question we would first need to decide if all lives are equal and whether there are other causes of death that can be more easily or cheaply mitigated. If the goal is to save on the scale of thousands of lives, investing in helping our people eat better would almost certainly make a bigger impact, I'm sure there are many other examples that would be more efficient than retrofitting all school buildings with ventilation systems effective enough to show a change in Covid deaths.
- LastCovidWave 3y ago
  Stop. Getting. Infected. There is no living with the pandemic.
  - flagrant_taco 3y ago
    Not quite sure what you mean, humans have lives with plenty of viruses that circulate regularly and people don't choose to get infected. The term pandemic is also pretty specifically defined as the time period where an infection is spreading rapidly through a population. Once it has spread everywhere you can't accurately keep calling it a pandemic, the period of rapid spread is over.
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LastCovidWave 3y ago
How about do something to help it now instead of claiming it's endemic which it definitely is not. Clean air great. Doing something now to stop the damn spread, better. There is no living with the pandemic.
- ianlevesque 3y ago
  I am literally advocating for preventing, or at least reducing, spread in schools in this very comment, and as a parent, have skin in the game. Endemic doesn't mean harmless.
- astrange 3y ago
  It's endemic and impossible to get rid of. This is demonstrably true simply because animals can catch it, and we can't do anything about that. And, of course, it's still wherever it originally came from.
smallkitten 3y ago
I didn’t have COVID even once. Or maybe I did and didn’t notice it. Most of the people I know are in the same boat. My 69 year old morbidly obese father tested positive for COVID but only had sniffles. My 95 year old grandmother had COVID and didn’t really have symptoms. Since 2022 I don’t use any kind of protection ever and don’t follow up on vaccination. I am somewhat convinced COVID was a tempest in a teapot and the world would have been better off if we never heard about it. Even as it deployed itself into communities. So, no. No more special measures, please. We’re back to normal and thank goodness for that. P.S. Better ventilation in schools is great, of course. Just, let’s not make it about COVID. Let’s leave COVID confined to the dumpster heap of history and maybe learn some lessons from the whole episode. Like, fear is never to be trusted.
- ianlevesque 3y ago
  It's such a strange experience since the pandemic encountering folks like you and some sibling commenters, who, because a few people in their immediate social group, "seem fine", dismiss the outcomes of millions who died, or struggle with Long COVID, or all the accumulating science documenting the post-acute conditions this virus causes. Other viruses cause post-acute complications too, so it's not even new, but for this virus people really need to put it in the box of 'what me worry?' for some reason. Three years ago I would've expected different from the educated and generally cynical/skeptical HN crowd, but no longer I guess.

flagrant_taco 3y ago

The virus is endemic and, though we weren't supposed to say this before, will continue to circulate and act much like the common cold. Ventilation in schools would be extraordinarily expensive, would only impact that 8 hour period of each kid's day, and with the state of average school buildings in the US we would never seal them up well enough for a positive pressure system to reliably keep them ventilated. Unfortunately we can't just throw money at every problem to fix it. There could be more effective avenues if we want to spend that minry though, revisiting the food our kids eat might be more effective at keeping our kids healthy for example.

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mullingitover 3y ago
> would only impact that 8 hour period of each kid's day That 8 hour period of each kid's day where they're surrounded by dozens of other potential disease vectors. The period before they go home and infect their parents, and potentially kill their grandparents. It's expensive but let's be frank, we're okay with thousands of people dying annually because we don't want to spend the money to do anything about it.
- stevenwoo 3y ago
  Especially when they found that only five minutes of exposure to someone else's exhalation was sufficient to transmit covid-19 with that South Korean restaurant case.
- flagrant_taco 3y ago
  > The 8 hours of each kid's day where they're surrounded by dozens of other potential disease vectors. Would ventilation really stop this though? Kids will still ride on school busses, play during recess, share classroom supplies, eat in the same cafeteria, etc. Ventilation isn't magic, I don't think there are any ventilation systems that could swap out the air so quickly that kids wouldn't be exposing each other. I also haven't seen any studies in which they retrofitted an average school building and tested transmissability, though I'd be very interested if anyone has a source to such a study. > The period before they go home and infdct their parents, and potentially kill their grandparents. This isn't how infection works. If a kid is exposed at school they won't go home and immediately infect others. I also feel for any child made to think that if they step out of line at all they would kill their grandparents. > It's expensive but let's be frank, we're okay with thousands of people dying annually because we don't want to spend the money to do anything about it. This gets to the question of what gives the most impact for our buck. If saving lives if the question we would first need to decide if all lives are equal and whether there are other causes of death that can be more easily or cheaply mitigated. If the goal is to save on the scale of thousands of lives, investing in helping our people eat better would almost certainly make a bigger impact, I'm sure there are many other examples that would be more efficient than retrofitting all school buildings with ventilation systems effective enough to show a change in Covid deaths.
LastCovidWave 3y ago
Stop. Getting. Infected. There is no living with the pandemic.
- flagrant_taco 3y ago
  Not quite sure what you mean, humans have lives with plenty of viruses that circulate regularly and people don't choose to get infected. The term pandemic is also pretty specifically defined as the time period where an infection is spreading rapidly through a population. Once it has spread everywhere you can't accurately keep calling it a pandemic, the period of rapid spread is over.

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LastCovidWave 3y ago

How about do something to help it now instead of claiming it's endemic which it definitely is not. Clean air great. Doing something now to stop the damn spread, better. There is no living with the pandemic.

ianlevesque 3y ago
I am literally advocating for preventing, or at least reducing, spread in schools in this very comment, and as a parent, have skin in the game. Endemic doesn't mean harmless.
astrange 3y ago
It's endemic and impossible to get rid of. This is demonstrably true simply because animals can catch it, and we can't do anything about that. And, of course, it's still wherever it originally came from.

smallkitten 3y ago

I didn’t have COVID even once. Or maybe I did and didn’t notice it. Most of the people I know are in the same boat. My 69 year old morbidly obese father tested positive for COVID but only had sniffles. My 95 year old grandmother had COVID and didn’t really have symptoms. Since 2022 I don’t use any kind of protection ever and don’t follow up on vaccination. I am somewhat convinced COVID was a tempest in a teapot and the world would have been better off if we never heard about it. Even as it deployed itself into communities. So, no. No more special measures, please. We’re back to normal and thank goodness for that. P.S. Better ventilation in schools is great, of course. Just, let’s not make it about COVID. Let’s leave COVID confined to the dumpster heap of history and maybe learn some lessons from the whole episode. Like, fear is never to be trusted.

ianlevesque 3y ago
It's such a strange experience since the pandemic encountering folks like you and some sibling commenters, who, because a few people in their immediate social group, "seem fine", dismiss the outcomes of millions who died, or struggle with Long COVID, or all the accumulating science documenting the post-acute conditions this virus causes. Other viruses cause post-acute complications too, so it's not even new, but for this virus people really need to put it in the box of 'what me worry?' for some reason. Three years ago I would've expected different from the educated and generally cynical/skeptical HN crowd, but no longer I guess.