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Everybody agrees Yellowstone is part of the US. This would be like part of Yellowstone the US considers part of Canada, while Canada doesn't claim it but manage

by gs17 3y ago

Everybody agrees Yellowstone is part of the US. This would be like part of Yellowstone the US considers part of Canada, while Canada doesn't claim it but manages it.

tptacek 3y ago
You’ve described half the legal situation. The other half is that both sides agree the territory is going to end up on one side or the other, and the only reason a decisive claim hasn’t yet been made is that doing so will weaken claims in contemporaneous disputes over different territories. People are trying to play this off as if Croatia doesn’t “want” the territory, but that’s not really it at all. They don’t want to lose a larger dispute. They’re happy to have the land. So: yes, this is approximately “building on Yellowstone” levels of silly.
- kazinator 3y ago
  Yellowstone being a national park that is a protected conservation area detracts from the analogy. There will be those who don't feel sorry for you mainly because you should have chosen another wilderness location, not because they believe you shouldn't build a dwelling in the wilderness anywhere. It deserves to be noted that even people who camp in city parks do have some supporters. That said, people who have the resources to build a solid home with amenities, including electricity and satellite network access, and keep a website running to tell their one-sided story, are not comparable to homeless campers.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    People camp in Yellowstone! Nobody builds a house in the middle of Garfield Park. If you did, even the people camping in Garfield Park would probably cheer it getting torn down.
Rebelgecko 3y ago
Yellowstone is actually tricky because of how the Wyoming, Idaho, and Federal jurisdictions overlap. There are some people who believe that in the so-called "Zone of Death", it's impossible to be convicted for murder. The only person who has been charged with a felony in a similar region was given a plea deal that was conditional on him not bringing up the 6th Amendment issues

by gs17 3y ago

Everybody agrees Yellowstone is part of the US. This would be like part of Yellowstone the US considers part of Canada, while Canada doesn't claim it but manages it.

tptacek 3y ago

You’ve described half the legal situation. The other half is that both sides agree the territory is going to end up on one side or the other, and the only reason a decisive claim hasn’t yet been made is that doing so will weaken claims in contemporaneous disputes over different territories. People are trying to play this off as if Croatia doesn’t “want” the territory, but that’s not really it at all. They don’t want to lose a larger dispute. They’re happy to have the land. So: yes, this is approximately “building on Yellowstone” levels of silly.

kazinator 3y ago
Yellowstone being a national park that is a protected conservation area detracts from the analogy. There will be those who don't feel sorry for you mainly because you should have chosen another wilderness location, not because they believe you shouldn't build a dwelling in the wilderness anywhere. It deserves to be noted that even people who camp in city parks do have some supporters. That said, people who have the resources to build a solid home with amenities, including electricity and satellite network access, and keep a website running to tell their one-sided story, are not comparable to homeless campers.
- tptacek 3y ago
  People camp in Yellowstone! Nobody builds a house in the middle of Garfield Park. If you did, even the people camping in Garfield Park would probably cheer it getting torn down.

Rebelgecko 3y ago

Yellowstone is actually tricky because of how the Wyoming, Idaho, and Federal jurisdictions overlap. There are some people who believe that in the so-called "Zone of Death", it's impossible to be convicted for murder. The only person who has been charged with a felony in a similar region was given a plea deal that was conditional on him not bringing up the 6th Amendment issues