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The blatant lying from law enforcement that the citizenry has to deal with on a daily basis is underappreciated. The US has a legal system that permits a polic

The blatant lying from law enforcement that the citizenry has to deal with on a daily basis is underappreciated. The US has a legal system that permits a police office to say anything, but a citizen must not lie to a police officer. The Miranda warning is not a good sign - it reminds the citizen that the government can and will use anything a citizen says for its own purposes.

ethbr1 3y ago
That's a weird way of looking at the Fifth Amendment. You have the right to say nothing.
- HarryHirsch 3y ago
  Yes, but I would prefer not to exercise that in court, it would be better if the government behaved itself towards its citizens. You also have the constitutional right to a speedy trial, but in practice that doesn't look hot either.
tap-snap-or-nap 3y ago
> citizenry has to deal with on a daily basis Sounds like a hyperbolic statement. Most citizens may be more likely to say that they do not have to deal with people who commit crime and lie to them on a daily basis unless you are in a very rough neighbourhood with very little law enforcement. People who are policing do have to deal with this daily, however there is a change that the police could potentially form some kind of a sampling bias on new encounters with average looking citizens after dealing with so many lying criminals on a daily basis.
- PixyMisa 3y ago
  Look up civil asset forfeiture. It's legalized theft.
- HarryHirsch 3y ago
  A colleague (non-white, of course) in a former workplace would not pull off the Interstate in certain areas of the nation because they didn't trust police. No, they were not paranoid, only regularly cautious, they were from South America.
  - gs17 3y ago
    I'm a white US native and I do the exact same. I made sure I had enough gas to get through Alabama (at exactly the speed limit) without stopping because of the stories I've heard, and those aren't even "that bad" when it comes to bad interactions with police.

ethbr1 3y ago

That's a weird way of looking at the Fifth Amendment. You have the right to say nothing.

HarryHirsch 3y ago
Yes, but I would prefer not to exercise that in court, it would be better if the government behaved itself towards its citizens. You also have the constitutional right to a speedy trial, but in practice that doesn't look hot either.

tap-snap-or-nap 3y ago

> citizenry has to deal with on a daily basis Sounds like a hyperbolic statement. Most citizens may be more likely to say that they do not have to deal with people who commit crime and lie to them on a daily basis unless you are in a very rough neighbourhood with very little law enforcement. People who are policing do have to deal with this daily, however there is a change that the police could potentially form some kind of a sampling bias on new encounters with average looking citizens after dealing with so many lying criminals on a daily basis.

PixyMisa 3y ago
Look up civil asset forfeiture. It's legalized theft.
HarryHirsch 3y ago
A colleague (non-white, of course) in a former workplace would not pull off the Interstate in certain areas of the nation because they didn't trust police. No, they were not paranoid, only regularly cautious, they were from South America.
- gs17 3y ago
  I'm a white US native and I do the exact same. I made sure I had enough gas to get through Alabama (at exactly the speed limit) without stopping because of the stories I've heard, and those aren't even "that bad" when it comes to bad interactions with police.