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Hollywood is not really in transition. Streaming services just did a bunch of Uber-like shit to skirt union agreements and the lack of proper anti-trust enforce

Hollywood is not really in transition. Streaming services just did a bunch of Uber-like shit to skirt union agreements and the lack of proper anti-trust enforcement has allowed for obscene consolidation among studios and all the bad decision-making that comes with a lack of competition. AI can’t write 100 lines of correct, testable code without major hand-holding. It’s certainly not going to write films and television most people are ever going to want to watch.

ta8645 3y ago
> It’s certainly not going to write films and television most people are ever going to want to watch. Time will tell, but I think you're wrong. I've heard way too many people say "computers will never X" in my life, only to see it to come to pass. Computers will never provide useful language translation... Computers will never be controlled by human speech... Chess computers will never beat the best humans... etc.
- LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
  I agree with this, but I also think we’re going to start to see a social rejection of AI being applied this way if things continue. It’s threatening so many people across so many industries that I think it will become a brand risk to companies, particularly in high profile industries like entertainment. Anecdotally, I watched the new Indiana Jones movie and I found the de-aging scene to be so weird and creepy, the friends I was there with felt the same and it was widely discussed among reviewers and critics. It really represents the planned uselessness of humanity in the AI era and I think more people are going to wake up to that reality as time goes by.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  And yet humans still play chess with each other, casually and competitively, translate each others works, etc. It turns out that just because you can make a computer do something doesn’t mean you should or that most people will enjoy the fruits of that effort for things that give their lives meaning (vs. that which they’re forced to do as work in order to survive). This is especially true of art. We’ve had generative art since the 1960s at least and yet most people would still prefer to wander around Rome and visit art museums than type “anime waifu trending on artstation” into Midjourney.
  - ta8645 3y ago
    And people play chess with computers, use Google Translate, etc. Doing so does not preclude the other. But that really isn't what is being discussed in this thread at all, which is simply whether computers will be able to perform this task or not. From my vantage point, I wouldn't put money against it coming to pass. As a personal anecdote, the relevance of which just occurred to me, I attended a birthday party recently of regular church going people -- no techies in the crowd. An older gentleman got up and read a story that he had asked ChatGPT to create for the occasion. Everyone was laughing. Perhaps it's a one time novelty. But the average guy may be more accepting of it than we guess.
    - bugglebeetle 3y ago
      See, this is what I’m talking about. It can’t even come up with a plausible anecdote for this rebuttal.
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dehrmann 3y ago
> Hollywood is not really in transition Bob Iger, the Disney CEO, said TV "may not be core to Disney." https://fortune.com/2023/07/13/disney-traditional-tv-bob-iger-abc-espn-sale/ https://fortune.com/2023/07/13/disney-traditional-tv-bob-ige...
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  You mean the guy currently driving Disney’s stock into the ground? Sure, let’s listen to him. Seems full of great ideas.
LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
> Hollywood is not really in transition. This is not true, the pay and corporate culture in Hollywood has changed dramatically in the last decade, there’s a ton being written about this right now. The streaming services are a huge part of Hollywood now because they’ve represented the growth while the networks have faded as people cut the cord. All kinds of folks have been seeing the stability of their jobs disappear in the Netflix era.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  …yes, because they used loopholes in labor agreements to fuck over everyone but their c-suite, just like every other tech company did with gig workers. That’s why they’re all on strike right now? Thankfully, they have unions, whereas most workers exploited in this way do not.

ta8645 3y ago

> It’s certainly not going to write films and television most people are ever going to want to watch. Time will tell, but I think you're wrong. I've heard way too many people say "computers will never X" in my life, only to see it to come to pass. Computers will never provide useful language translation... Computers will never be controlled by human speech... Chess computers will never beat the best humans... etc.

LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
I agree with this, but I also think we’re going to start to see a social rejection of AI being applied this way if things continue. It’s threatening so many people across so many industries that I think it will become a brand risk to companies, particularly in high profile industries like entertainment. Anecdotally, I watched the new Indiana Jones movie and I found the de-aging scene to be so weird and creepy, the friends I was there with felt the same and it was widely discussed among reviewers and critics. It really represents the planned uselessness of humanity in the AI era and I think more people are going to wake up to that reality as time goes by.
bugglebeetle 3y ago
And yet humans still play chess with each other, casually and competitively, translate each others works, etc. It turns out that just because you can make a computer do something doesn’t mean you should or that most people will enjoy the fruits of that effort for things that give their lives meaning (vs. that which they’re forced to do as work in order to survive). This is especially true of art. We’ve had generative art since the 1960s at least and yet most people would still prefer to wander around Rome and visit art museums than type “anime waifu trending on artstation” into Midjourney.
- ta8645 3y ago
  And people play chess with computers, use Google Translate, etc. Doing so does not preclude the other. But that really isn't what is being discussed in this thread at all, which is simply whether computers will be able to perform this task or not. From my vantage point, I wouldn't put money against it coming to pass. As a personal anecdote, the relevance of which just occurred to me, I attended a birthday party recently of regular church going people -- no techies in the crowd. An older gentleman got up and read a story that he had asked ChatGPT to create for the occasion. Everyone was laughing. Perhaps it's a one time novelty. But the average guy may be more accepting of it than we guess.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    See, this is what I’m talking about. It can’t even come up with a plausible anecdote for this rebuttal.
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dehrmann 3y ago

> Hollywood is not really in transition Bob Iger, the Disney CEO, said TV "may not be core to Disney." https://fortune.com/2023/07/13/disney-traditional-tv-bob-iger-abc-espn-sale/ https://fortune.com/2023/07/13/disney-traditional-tv-bob-ige...

bugglebeetle 3y ago
You mean the guy currently driving Disney’s stock into the ground? Sure, let’s listen to him. Seems full of great ideas.

LapsangGuzzler 3y ago

> Hollywood is not really in transition. This is not true, the pay and corporate culture in Hollywood has changed dramatically in the last decade, there’s a ton being written about this right now. The streaming services are a huge part of Hollywood now because they’ve represented the growth while the networks have faded as people cut the cord. All kinds of folks have been seeing the stability of their jobs disappear in the Netflix era.

bugglebeetle 3y ago
…yes, because they used loopholes in labor agreements to fuck over everyone but their c-suite, just like every other tech company did with gig workers. That’s why they’re all on strike right now? Thankfully, they have unions, whereas most workers exploited in this way do not.