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The link you added directly contradicts you. It says static builds on windows require the Visual++ tools. They aren't that hard to install. This one is on you.

The link you added directly contradicts you. It says static builds on windows require the Visual++ tools. They aren't that hard to install. This one is on you. If I remember correctly, for certain things rust also needs the visual C++ tools if you're on windows. You might think that installing an additional tool is a mild inconvenience, but "cant make a fully static build" is just wrong.

38 3y ago
the difference is Rust has a GNU option for Windows, D does not.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Any serious system programming will use the OS vendor tooling.
  - 38 3y ago
    nope. I am not using visual C++ until they distribute a zip file with the tools, or come up with an installer that doesn't result in 10 GB being dumped on my system. no thanks.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      It turns out compiled binary libraries take space, go figure.
      - 38 3y ago
        not 10 GB though. especially when similar options can do it in less than 200 MB: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases I would be eager to hear actual data in further replies, rather than guesses.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        It isn't similar, does not offer support for all kinds of Windows development.
        38 3y ago
        right, I dont want that. If I am using Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ too, I dont want or need the full Visual Studio experience. and even with the Visual C++ tools or whatever its called, you still end up installing gigabytes of nonsense.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        It is not nonsence for doing systems programming in Windows. Apple and Google development SDKs, or any commercial OS, have similar sizes for the SDKs. Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming.
        38 3y ago
        > Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming. I care about a minimal set of tools in order to compile C/C++ programs. thats offered by: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases and also MSYS2, and even the Zig C compiler. all less than 200 MB. meanwhile Visual Studio installing about 10 GB worth. If Microsoft can offer a similar experience then I am interested.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Yeah, but that isn't systems programming on Windows.
        38 3y ago
        what I want is to have tools to compile C/C++ programs. until microsoft offers a minimal package like this, visual C++ is generally a poor choice for any compilation of C/C++ programs, because of the bloated nature of the current offerings.

38 3y ago

the difference is Rust has a GNU option for Windows, D does not.

pjmlp 3y ago
Any serious system programming will use the OS vendor tooling.
- 38 3y ago
  nope. I am not using visual C++ until they distribute a zip file with the tools, or come up with an installer that doesn't result in 10 GB being dumped on my system. no thanks.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    It turns out compiled binary libraries take space, go figure.
    - 38 3y ago
      not 10 GB though. especially when similar options can do it in less than 200 MB: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases I would be eager to hear actual data in further replies, rather than guesses.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        It isn't similar, does not offer support for all kinds of Windows development.
        38 3y ago
        right, I dont want that. If I am using Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ too, I dont want or need the full Visual Studio experience. and even with the Visual C++ tools or whatever its called, you still end up installing gigabytes of nonsense.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        It is not nonsence for doing systems programming in Windows. Apple and Google development SDKs, or any commercial OS, have similar sizes for the SDKs. Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming.
        38 3y ago
        > Doing Python with a C plugin, or just compiling a command line C/C++ isn't really systems programming. I care about a minimal set of tools in order to compile C/C++ programs. thats offered by: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases and also MSYS2, and even the Zig C compiler. all less than 200 MB. meanwhile Visual Studio installing about 10 GB worth. If Microsoft can offer a similar experience then I am interested.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Yeah, but that isn't systems programming on Windows.
        38 3y ago
        what I want is to have tools to compile C/C++ programs. until microsoft offers a minimal package like this, visual C++ is generally a poor choice for any compilation of C/C++ programs, because of the bloated nature of the current offerings.