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They experimented, and they discovered what happens if you try to claim land that isn't yours. They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when som
by uxp8u61q 3y ago
They experimented, and they discovered what happens if you try to claim land that isn't yours. They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when someone stronger than you wants your stuff.
- claytongulick 3y ago> They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when someone stronger than you wants your stuff. How is this in any way unique to libertarians? Maybe take a look at civil forfeiture abuses in the US? Not to mention other county where the rule of law is more of a polite suggestion.
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- zzzeek 3y agoIt's not unique but only apt as libertarianism advocates for dominance of the strongest
- claytongulick 3y agoWhere?
- zo1 3y agoNo it doesn't. You're projecting your own value, interpretation and criticism of libertarian concepts to make it mean "dominance of the strongest". It's no more the case than with all other forms of government, including the majestic and noble "democracy".
- anon84873628 3y agoYou seem to have conflated libertarianism with some other philosophy like the Ayn Rand stuff
- zzzeek 3y agoCan I own a town and buy my own police force or not ?
- anon84873628 3y agoSure, it depends on the disposition of the polities around you and how strong the police/defense force is. You could also run it with any system of government you like, libertarian or otherwise. A lot of people in this thread are laughing at the Liberland folks for being doomed to fail, not realizing that "might makes right", etc. Well how would we be reacting if they became terrorists instead? Defended the area with homemade bombs? What if Jeff Bezos built a private army and decided to secede from the US? The morality or intellectual interest of a people's claim to a territory (along with their chosen system of government) is completely orthogonal to their ability to enforce it. For the other end of the spectrum just look at Ukraine, as others here have pointed out. And btw I'm personally not even a libertarian...
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- DANmode 3y agoYou've never read about Disney World's deal in Florida?!
- WalterBright 3y ago> They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when someone stronger than you wants your stuff. Libertarianism requires a government to protect property rights.
- jcranmer 3y agoI've seen quite a few libertarians that would argue for private enforcement of property rights, thereby abolishing the need for a government altogether.
- latency-guy2 3y agoYes, there always tends to be a large number of hypocrites in the world, see any socialist or communist of modern times who are all talk but take on none of the risks by living their ideals.
- Jensson 3y agoSo if I pay a bunch of guys to enforce "my property rights" over their house, then it is my house right? So now I'll force them to pay rent for it or my private thugs will evict them from "my home". Is that what they want? That is how society worked before we had modern governments. The only way to prevent this is to have a government who tells me I can't just bring a bunch of thugs and take stuff from people.
- WalterBright 3y agoUndoubtedly, but those aren't real libertarians. They're anarchists. Libertarianism is a free market economy, with the government serving as enforcer of property rights and contracts. The government also enforces individual rights. Such as the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
- sangnoir 3y agoHow would this libertarian government be funded?
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- tylersmith 3y agoWhen stronger groups want your stuff it doesn't matter what world you're living in. The same is true of non-Libertarian states like Ukraine.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoUkraine situation is a conflict between two states. International world is a libertarian world. The whole point of having countries is that a country can offer something better to people within its borders. This is achieved through monopoly on violence. Internationally, there is no monopoly on violence; arguably, the only thing keeping the world mostly together is nukes.
- stale2002 3y ago> They experimented, and they discovered what happens if you try to claim land that isn't yours. Well, its about claiming land that the Croatian government doesn't even claim to own. Ironically, the fact that the Croatian government kicked them out, harms the Croatian government's legal claims with Serbia.