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Incidentally this is also why everyone working in a nation has to receive these benefits (and any others guaranteed to citizens), otherwise you get migrant work

Incidentally this is also why everyone working in a nation has to receive these benefits (and any others guaranteed to citizens), otherwise you get migrant workers who suck up this, quite literally in this case, but don't receive healthcare.

lm28469 3y ago
Only illegal migrants aren't covered, legal ones are. If you make it available to everyone regardless of their legality to be on the soil you open up a whole bunch of other issues
- morelisp 3y ago
  Like what?
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Like giving people an incentive to illegally come to your country ? If there are no difference between coming legally or illegally the choice is easy. Like I could just book a one way flight to LA and become a US citizen because reasons ?
    - duped 3y ago
      Like how most of our ancestors got here, you mean?
      - lm28469 3y ago
        Your ancestors genocided the whole continent, if anything that argument is against what you advocate. We're not in the 1700s, people can travel more easily, information travels instantly, what worked 300 years ago doesn't necessarily works now. I'm all for helping people but you cannot import the world's misery and expect it to be smooth, first because it doesn't solve anything, second because it just doesn't work from a simple demographic point of view.
      - lazide 3y ago
        Well, not since ~1882. https://www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/overview-of-ins-history/early-american-immigration-policies https://www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/overview-of-ins-h... That said, overstaying tourist visas (aka just hopping on a plane and then not going back) is a very popular form of illegal immigration into the US.
      - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        You can either provide social benefits to your country's poor or you can have open borders. If you try to do both at once, you're providing social benefits to the world's poor, and the amount of benefits you can provide from a given tax base falls through the floor.
      - Shaanie 3y ago
        How was the wellfare at that point? :-)
- sandworm101 3y ago
  Canada largely avoids this problem by not allowing a subset of illegal people to exist in the country. Canadians are polite, but working in canada without some sort of legal status is far harder than in the US. They have lots of immigrants, but vanishingly few illegal ones in comparison to the US.
LordShredda 3y ago
That could also be resolved by having tight border security and heavily penalizing anyone involved with their entry

lm28469 3y ago

Only illegal migrants aren't covered, legal ones are. If you make it available to everyone regardless of their legality to be on the soil you open up a whole bunch of other issues

morelisp 3y ago
Like what?
- lm28469 3y ago
  Like giving people an incentive to illegally come to your country ? If there are no difference between coming legally or illegally the choice is easy. Like I could just book a one way flight to LA and become a US citizen because reasons ?
  - duped 3y ago
    Like how most of our ancestors got here, you mean?
    - lm28469 3y ago
      Your ancestors genocided the whole continent, if anything that argument is against what you advocate. We're not in the 1700s, people can travel more easily, information travels instantly, what worked 300 years ago doesn't necessarily works now. I'm all for helping people but you cannot import the world's misery and expect it to be smooth, first because it doesn't solve anything, second because it just doesn't work from a simple demographic point of view.
    - lazide 3y ago
      Well, not since ~1882. https://www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/overview-of-ins-history/early-american-immigration-policies https://www.uscis.gov/about-us/our-history/overview-of-ins-h... That said, overstaying tourist visas (aka just hopping on a plane and then not going back) is a very popular form of illegal immigration into the US.
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      You can either provide social benefits to your country's poor or you can have open borders. If you try to do both at once, you're providing social benefits to the world's poor, and the amount of benefits you can provide from a given tax base falls through the floor.
    - Shaanie 3y ago
      How was the wellfare at that point? :-)
sandworm101 3y ago
Canada largely avoids this problem by not allowing a subset of illegal people to exist in the country. Canadians are polite, but working in canada without some sort of legal status is far harder than in the US. They have lots of immigrants, but vanishingly few illegal ones in comparison to the US.

LordShredda 3y ago

That could also be resolved by having tight border security and heavily penalizing anyone involved with their entry