> I am blaming them for selling products that are inadequate for the threat environment they are expected to operate in and lying and/or insinuating that they a

> I am blaming them for selling products that are inadequate for the threat environment they are expected to operate in and lying and/or insinuating that they are adequate You lost me here. Where has Apple "insinuated" anything else but "secure enough for consumers"? Really, I want to know where they promote their products as the choice to protect oneself from nation-state adversaries, because so far, the only security offers they have for iPhone users are threat notifications [0] and lockdown mode [1], and they make no guarantees on either of them. Samsung [2] and Google [3] make similar assertions. I believe you are targeting a strawman here, especially given the fact that there are zero consumer grade phones out there that are CC certified to a level that you may consider adequate. > In addition, the lies suck all of the air out of the room for actual secure products because why go through the extremely hard work of actually making something secure when you can just lie about it. This is blatantly false. There aren't consumer ready operating systems that may replace Apple's, and are EAL5+ certified. Unless your point is that some day you may be able to install System Z in your laptop, that is. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/102174 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102174 [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212650 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212650 [2] https://www.samsungknox.com/en https://www.samsungknox.com/en [3] https://landing.google.com/advancedprotection/ https://landing.google.com/advancedprotection/