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Realistically, the only way to grow an economy in that area is via drug dealing, sex work, and unregulated immigration and unregulated manufacturing. At that p

Realistically, the only way to grow an economy in that area is via drug dealing, sex work, and unregulated immigration and unregulated manufacturing. At that point, it's basically academic whether the people running the place are ideologically committed libertarians or a heavily armed criminal gang. Additionally, if you want to go up against an armed force, the Croatian defense forces are more capable than most.

pixl97 3y ago
>ideologically committed libertarians or a heavily armed criminal gang. But you repeat yourself. Sorry if any ideologically committed libertarians are reading this thread, but libertarianism is one of those things that theoretically works and practically fails every time. People consolidate power into governments because it is effective.
justinclift 3y ago
> heavily armed criminal gang. That's nothing unusual though. Isn't every nation existing today the remains of a heavily armed gang of one sort or another? > ... drug dealing, sex work, and unregulated immigration and unregulated manufacturing. Those probably wouldn't qualify as "reasonable economy" though. Instead, those would lead to their neighbours being pressured to "do something" about them. Alternatives though... yeah, good question. Maybe they could set up something online gambling wise, but it could run afoul of the same problem. Maybe something high-tech instead, though the investment required up front would be... interesting to say the least. ;)
- justinclift 3y ago
  Hmmm, maybe manufacturing of generic drugs (in a non-dodgy way) would be an option? Doing it properly though would probably take some decent up-front investment. ... unless it's insulin or other "cheap and easy to manufacture" type of generic. No idea how expensive the needed quality control / testing / etc would be to set up though.
- gerikson 3y ago
  Online gambling is legal in most of the EU. It’s better to set something like that up in Malta, which has the infrastructure. The area seems quite rural, is probably prone to flooding, and is reliant on Croatia for electricity and internet.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Electricity could be the main problem. Starlink would probably be a practical internet provider though, rather than needing to go through a neighbouring country directly.
    - anon84873628 3y ago
      Indeed, TFA includes a Starlink antenna in the list of items either destroyed or removed.
- notpushkin 3y ago
  I think current course is to let IT companies set up presence in Liberland (for low taxes / less bureaucracy). I'm not sure how viable is that, given other governments are unlikely to recognize Liberland-registered legal entities at this point, thus disabling them from doing any actual business. (I might open one though sometime later, just as a novelty thing – for now :-)
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Reckon it'll generate enough revenue for a practical military force? If not, they're likely just wasting their time and effort. That aside, they'll need to be prepared to add other civilisation fundamentals as well. eg police, emergency services, medical facilities, etc.

pixl97 3y ago

>ideologically committed libertarians or a heavily armed criminal gang. But you repeat yourself. Sorry if any ideologically committed libertarians are reading this thread, but libertarianism is one of those things that theoretically works and practically fails every time. People consolidate power into governments because it is effective.

justinclift 3y ago

> heavily armed criminal gang. That's nothing unusual though. Isn't every nation existing today the remains of a heavily armed gang of one sort or another? > ... drug dealing, sex work, and unregulated immigration and unregulated manufacturing. Those probably wouldn't qualify as "reasonable economy" though. Instead, those would lead to their neighbours being pressured to "do something" about them. Alternatives though... yeah, good question. Maybe they could set up something online gambling wise, but it could run afoul of the same problem. Maybe something high-tech instead, though the investment required up front would be... interesting to say the least. ;)

justinclift 3y ago
Hmmm, maybe manufacturing of generic drugs (in a non-dodgy way) would be an option? Doing it properly though would probably take some decent up-front investment. ... unless it's insulin or other "cheap and easy to manufacture" type of generic. No idea how expensive the needed quality control / testing / etc would be to set up though.
gerikson 3y ago
Online gambling is legal in most of the EU. It’s better to set something like that up in Malta, which has the infrastructure. The area seems quite rural, is probably prone to flooding, and is reliant on Croatia for electricity and internet.
- justinclift 3y ago
  Electricity could be the main problem. Starlink would probably be a practical internet provider though, rather than needing to go through a neighbouring country directly.
  - anon84873628 3y ago
    Indeed, TFA includes a Starlink antenna in the list of items either destroyed or removed.
notpushkin 3y ago
I think current course is to let IT companies set up presence in Liberland (for low taxes / less bureaucracy). I'm not sure how viable is that, given other governments are unlikely to recognize Liberland-registered legal entities at this point, thus disabling them from doing any actual business. (I might open one though sometime later, just as a novelty thing – for now :-)
- justinclift 3y ago
  Reckon it'll generate enough revenue for a practical military force? If not, they're likely just wasting their time and effort. That aside, they'll need to be prepared to add other civilisation fundamentals as well. eg police, emergency services, medical facilities, etc.