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I hope you're being facetious. Deprecating any tags in the post HTML5 world requires WHATWG approval and noscript is more of a fallback mechanism than a "secur

I hope you're being facetious. Deprecating any tags in the post HTML5 world requires WHATWG approval and noscript is more of a fallback mechanism than a "security" feature or means to convey an opinion. There's no good reason to get rid of it.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> and noscript is more of a fallback mechanism That is exactly the good reason to get rid of it, for Google. Why would they want to allow a fallback to script-less web?
- chrismsimpson 3y ago
  Exactly. Once they can lock everyone into a JS only world, they can maintain their position as the only viable web index.
  - sublinear 3y ago
    Creating a page that doesn't display content without javascript is literally the single worst thing you can do for SEO on Google or any search engine. Noscript has nothing to do with the issue you all are talking about.
    - chrismsimpson 3y ago
      Google: Please make your pages easy to scrape, we’ll incentivise you to do so Also Google: If we detect you’re scraping us or any of our “partners” (read: the public web) we’ll shut you down. We have ways of ensuring we’re the only bot capable of indexing the web. Heard of web fingerprinting?
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- sublinear 3y ago
  Google does not have control over WHATWG. That's the point of its existence. Javascript can fail to load for a lot more reasons than just the user disabling it. Noscript is the only way to let the user know that's occurred or to ensure some functionality doesn't break. In fact Google Analytics uses a noscript tag containing an iframe as a fallback to keep the data flowing even when stuff like a content security policy or bad network request causes the javascript to fail.
josefx 3y ago
> Deprecating any tags in the post HTML5 world requires WHATWG approval The WHATWG, the group that exists because browser developers decided to ditch the existing standard and do their own thing? What is it going to do? Complain about Google ditching the standard and doing its own thing?
- guraf 3y ago
  Ditching the standard bodies that gave us xhtml and then never fixed its warts you say? Why would they do that !?

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> and noscript is more of a fallback mechanism That is exactly the good reason to get rid of it, for Google. Why would they want to allow a fallback to script-less web?

chrismsimpson 3y ago
Exactly. Once they can lock everyone into a JS only world, they can maintain their position as the only viable web index.
- sublinear 3y ago
  Creating a page that doesn't display content without javascript is literally the single worst thing you can do for SEO on Google or any search engine. Noscript has nothing to do with the issue you all are talking about.
  - chrismsimpson 3y ago
    Google: Please make your pages easy to scrape, we’ll incentivise you to do so Also Google: If we detect you’re scraping us or any of our “partners” (read: the public web) we’ll shut you down. We have ways of ensuring we’re the only bot capable of indexing the web. Heard of web fingerprinting?
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sublinear 3y ago
Google does not have control over WHATWG. That's the point of its existence. Javascript can fail to load for a lot more reasons than just the user disabling it. Noscript is the only way to let the user know that's occurred or to ensure some functionality doesn't break. In fact Google Analytics uses a noscript tag containing an iframe as a fallback to keep the data flowing even when stuff like a content security policy or bad network request causes the javascript to fail.

josefx 3y ago

> Deprecating any tags in the post HTML5 world requires WHATWG approval The WHATWG, the group that exists because browser developers decided to ditch the existing standard and do their own thing? What is it going to do? Complain about Google ditching the standard and doing its own thing?

guraf 3y ago
Ditching the standard bodies that gave us xhtml and then never fixed its warts you say? Why would they do that !?