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What do you mean there is no market for high end stuff from AMD? That's like saying "there is no market for high end PCs". I know people are confused, but they
by tjoff 3y ago
What do you mean there is no market for high end stuff from AMD? That's like saying "there is no market for high end PCs". I know people are confused, but they are not buying "an Intel", they are buying "a Dell". If that happened to have an AMD CPU inside 98% of people would never now - unless Dell made a point to tell them.
Yes, some vendors tried to put a good CPU in a budget chassi, worst screen you could find, no battery life, terrible build quality etc. No shit it didn't sell.
And not sure what "bad experiences" here amount to, has nothing to do with what CPU was inside but most probably the brand of the device. And that might partly because the vendor had no experience in that ecosystem and had to do much from scratch or whatever.
But most likely they just didn't put in the effort (if the poor build quality and components didn't already tell you that), which kind of makes sense given the weird situation we are in.
How much of that can be attributed to intel, and how much can be attributed to vendors having absolutely no vision and no desire to make anything but literal safe crap, I have no idea.
But, even if intel didn't do anything wrong I wouldn't be surprised with the outcome. It is not like the ecosystem for intel hardware is great either. It took decades before microsoft gave up and launched their own Surface-line of computers simply because all the combined efforts of all manufacturers could barely produce anything of value.
Just as google had to launch their own Pixel line because all other vendors would just produce crap that people then associated with android.
- baz00 3y agoCompletely wrong. Purchasers buy Intel if there is a choice. A huge amount of people got burned by shitty AMD hardware. Right into Ryzen era. Intel stuff tends to just work. As for problems it’s usually reliability issues with power management, network and occasional crashes. And that’s from big brand integrators like Lenovo. You just don’t get the same poor experience with their Intel parts. I mean when we bought a huge chunk of T14s recently, an actual factor in the decision analysis was “not the AMD variety”. It might be hardware, it might be software but no one has the time or energy to dig through that. Anecdotally I built a Ryzen 3700X workstation from scratch a couple of years ago. Nothing but trouble. Some days it wouldn’t even boot until the third attempt. And that gets to decision makers and they make decisions.
- tjoff 3y agoOk, so then don't buy series <X> from Lenovo then. But you ought to already have known that when you bought it because it probably wasn't exactly high-end was it? And when you get a bad batch "from Intel" you don't exactly ditch Intel do you? No. Ditch Lenovo if they can't make computers. You are completely missing the point.
- danmur 3y agoIt's just one computer so not much of a data point, but I feel obliged to mention I've had a desktop AMD (Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core) running databases and various other applications for a couple years and it's been superb. Not one single issue, never have to reboot it, last time it went off was about four months ago from a power failure. My biggest complaint is that it's even harder (or possibly more confusing) to work out how to get an AMD running ECC RAM than it is for Intel, and that's saying something.
- nottorp 3y ago> A huge amount of people got burned by shitty AMD hardware. AMD or whatever crap Dell put in to keep AMD the cheapest crappiest option, perhaps contingent on “marketing funds” from Intel? If you build it yourself you can get a fast stable AMD desktop. Prebuilts tend to be shitty and I wonder why…