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how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"? no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making t

by pxoe 3y ago

how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"? no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making them not visible to anyone else at all, are not the same thing. see, it's going as far with complaints about "shadowbanning" as to say "well maaaybe 5% might see it - But it's still a shadowban!" - that's the part that makes the complaints sound like bullshit that they are

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"? How is it not shadowbanning? They're not showing your posts to people they would otherwise show your posts to because of an opaque penalty tag on your account. This can obviously be done to varying degrees ranging from not putting your posts in anyone else's feed, to not showing your replies even when viewing the post it's a direct reply to, to not notifying the person you replied to that they have a new reply because it was you who posted it. These are all forms of shadowbanning. Meanwhile a given post might still be visible via some other means even when they're being applied. > no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making them not visible to anyone else at all, are not the same thing. This is a kind of pedantic reasoning where if you hide a post from very nearly everyone you want to call it something else because "very nearly everyone" and "everyone" theoretically isn't the same thing even if it's practically the same thing. It's like saying well, you know, technically we didn't remove you from the search results, we just put you on page 50384.
robertlagrant 3y ago
> see, it's going as far with complaints about "shadowbanning" as to say "well maaaybe 5% might see it - But it's still a shadowban!" - that's the part that makes the complaints sound like bullshit that they are I've no dog in this fight, but this seems deliberately obtuse. You could call "traditional" shadowbanning "100% shadowbanning" and what you've just described "95% shadowbanning". They're extremely close.

by pxoe 3y ago

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"? How is it not shadowbanning? They're not showing your posts to people they would otherwise show your posts to because of an opaque penalty tag on your account. This can obviously be done to varying degrees ranging from not putting your posts in anyone else's feed, to not showing your replies even when viewing the post it's a direct reply to, to not notifying the person you replied to that they have a new reply because it was you who posted it. These are all forms of shadowbanning. Meanwhile a given post might still be visible via some other means even when they're being applied. > no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making them not visible to anyone else at all, are not the same thing. This is a kind of pedantic reasoning where if you hide a post from very nearly everyone you want to call it something else because "very nearly everyone" and "everyone" theoretically isn't the same thing even if it's practically the same thing. It's like saying well, you know, technically we didn't remove you from the search results, we just put you on page 50384.

robertlagrant 3y ago

> see, it's going as far with complaints about "shadowbanning" as to say "well maaaybe 5% might see it - But it's still a shadowban!" - that's the part that makes the complaints sound like bullshit that they are I've no dog in this fight, but this seems deliberately obtuse. You could call "traditional" shadowbanning "100% shadowbanning" and what you've just described "95% shadowbanning". They're extremely close.