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Yes, it's the first clause of the US Bill Of Rights. So? Still a clause in law. And that's the point; the gp was, I _believe_, complaining about the perceived

Yes, it's the first clause of the US Bill Of Rights. So? Still a clause in law. And that's the point; the gp was, I _believe_, complaining about the perceived lack of equity in a relationship that has the US extraditing citizens of the UK for actions that are crimes in their jurisdiction but not in the UK, when it would never be considered to be allowed the other way.

ajross 15y ago
But it's not even remotely symmetric. In one direction it's just a crime being prosecuted, and the UK has similar laws that could conceivably apply. In the other it's a prima facie violation of (stated without hyperbole) the single most important law of the nation. See the difference? And the "never be considered to be allowed the other way" bit is silly. The US has extradition treaties with most of the industrialized world, and extradites criminals routinely (although perhaps not necessarily fairly or symmetrically). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#International_extradition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_S... But they won't extradite anyone for this crime, for reasons of fundamental constitutional law. That's not going to change no matter how many downvotes the first amendment receives above.
- AkThhhpppt 15y ago
  The UK has no criminal law about copyright. Whatsoever. The US is attempting to extradite this guy for the crime of linking to copyrighted material: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jun/17/student-file-sharing-tvshack-extradition http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jun/17/student-file-shari... I've been trying to find a case where the US extradited someone to a jurisdiction where they were accused of committing a crime not on US books. I can't.
  - ajross 15y ago
    No. The 2003 Extradition treaty certainly is a UK law. But (and for the record: I think that extradition is unjust too) this has nothing to do what our discussion at all. You want the US to extradite people for hate speech. I pointed out that no, that will never happen because of the clear text of the first amendment to the constitution. And you started flaming away, I guess because I'm American and therefore The Enemy. But the point remains that no matter how symmetric and just and wonderful its extradition policy might come to be, US law would never allow such an extradition. It will not happen. So stop flaming and find another shibboleth.
    - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
      No I do not want to extradite anyone for hate speech; see, this is what's known as an _example_. What I would like is for the US to stop being quite so bullying in their dealings with the rest of the world. And you're not The Enemy; I don't have any enemies. I'm Irish and therefore neutral and too small for anyone to care about. ",)

ajross 15y ago

But it's not even remotely symmetric. In one direction it's just a crime being prosecuted, and the UK has similar laws that could conceivably apply. In the other it's a prima facie violation of (stated without hyperbole) the single most important law of the nation. See the difference? And the "never be considered to be allowed the other way" bit is silly. The US has extradition treaties with most of the industrialized world, and extradites criminals routinely (although perhaps not necessarily fairly or symmetrically). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#International_extradition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_S... But they won't extradite anyone for this crime, for reasons of fundamental constitutional law. That's not going to change no matter how many downvotes the first amendment receives above.

AkThhhpppt 15y ago
The UK has no criminal law about copyright. Whatsoever. The US is attempting to extradite this guy for the crime of linking to copyrighted material: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jun/17/student-file-sharing-tvshack-extradition http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jun/17/student-file-shari... I've been trying to find a case where the US extradited someone to a jurisdiction where they were accused of committing a crime not on US books. I can't.
- ajross 15y ago
  No. The 2003 Extradition treaty certainly is a UK law. But (and for the record: I think that extradition is unjust too) this has nothing to do what our discussion at all. You want the US to extradite people for hate speech. I pointed out that no, that will never happen because of the clear text of the first amendment to the constitution. And you started flaming away, I guess because I'm American and therefore The Enemy. But the point remains that no matter how symmetric and just and wonderful its extradition policy might come to be, US law would never allow such an extradition. It will not happen. So stop flaming and find another shibboleth.
  - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
    No I do not want to extradite anyone for hate speech; see, this is what's known as an _example_. What I would like is for the US to stop being quite so bullying in their dealings with the rest of the world. And you're not The Enemy; I don't have any enemies. I'm Irish and therefore neutral and too small for anyone to care about. ",)