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My impractical solution: no resale of tickets, and check of ID at the door. It’ll slow things down for check in, and people sick will miss out, but it will coll

My impractical solution: no resale of tickets, and check of ID at the door. It’ll slow things down for check in, and people sick will miss out, but it will collectively bring prices down and increase seat availability.

umvi 3y ago
The article talks about how scalpers circumvent no ticket resale - sell the entire account containing the tickets.
- gxs 3y ago
  Presumably OP is saying the name on the actual ticket never changes. That is, even if you sell the account, the ticket is tied to the person.
  - azinman2 3y ago
    Exactly
  - umvi 3y ago
    So basically make concert tickets like airplane tickets
DanHulton 3y ago
The last Nine Inch Nails concert I went to was like this. Fans on the email list got advance sales for the event, and you could buy up to two tickets, and had to have your ID match the tickets. It was great, I was able to watch right from the front of the pit, I didn't have to fight through any weird browser nonsense, and I paid exactly the price of the ticket, no more, no less.
anonymouse008 3y ago
This is the only true solution. There’s a few things to work out legally - but they are all solvable. Perhaps there should be a seat transfer portal that opens 24-48 hours before (or at some specified time) for those true extenuating circumstances so family members or friends could get access to tickets. Otherwise, first principles says end transferability to end the secondary market.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  You add a game; and it will get gamed.
- master_crab 3y ago
  Just allow refunds/partial refunds to the original seller and they can put it back on the market. Airlines arguably have the same type of selling situation and no one is scalping coach seats to Cleveland.
bufferoverflow 3y ago
Or just make it an auction. Every ticket goes to the highest bidder.
- azinman2 3y ago
  That’s effectively what it is now, and it means poorer ppl lose. That’s not good for society.
  - bufferoverflow 3y ago
    That's not what it is now. Right now the scalper gets the difference between the ticket price and what the highest bidder pays. In an auction all that money would go to the artist.
h1fra 3y ago
I don't see any reason why platform and artists are alright with tickets reselling, it's madness to me that no artists "consortium" has demanded a change already. In France, a famous youtuber has partnered with the major platform to forbid any ticket resell for their show, and it worked pretty well. But still it was only one time.
- hedora 3y ago
  In the US, the ticket selling platform (tickemaster) and the venue (live nation) are usually the same company. The sale is set up so that ticket resale is forbidden, except that scalpers can resell them via ticketmaster. Ticketmaster gets to charge a second transaction fee when the scalper resells it. Artists don’t have enough market leverage to bypass this. (Pearl Jam famously tried and failed at the top of their career.) So, it’s a combination of auction fraud (building a platform for scalpers while pretending to enforce anti-scalper policies) and monopoly power (colluding with venues and probably agents to depress first-sale ticket prices). I tried to figure out if ticketmaster also owns and operates the scalping companies (allowing two-sided auction fraud). I came up with a firm “maybe”.
valyagolev 3y ago
this, but allow refunds.
- koolba 3y ago
  If you do, you have to allow a random back off before the tickets are made available for resale. Otherwise there will be “transfers” through sale / purchase.
  - jmole 3y ago
    just make a waitlist?
Quarrel 3y ago
This is what Hamilton did when it opened in London. You could in some circumstances return tickets to the theatre for a full refund, but couldn't resell them. The buying credit card had to be shown at entry to make sure they hadn't been resold. Afaik, they're still doing this.
bastard_op 3y ago
Treat them like an airplane ticket, you don't see others getting on when it isn't in their name, do you? I don't see people scalping flights to shady people for the past 20 or so years, so it's possible. Ticketmaster simply won't take the measures, as they have absolutely no financial problem with the way it is now or throughout the history of them existing. Their only problem is trying to figure out how to get scalper prices themselves, which they've already tried and gotten backlash for.
- azinman2 3y ago
  This is where regulation could come in.
MPSimmons 3y ago
I hate this, but unless your solution can sufficiently answer the question, "How does this benefit Ticketmaster?", it will never happen so long as they have a monopoly on ticket sales.
sampli 3y ago
Yeah I don’t like scalpers at all, but I don’t think I should have to give out any personal information to buy a concert ticket.
- azinman2 3y ago
  You already do
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  Your name?
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carlosjobim 3y ago
It's not impractical at all. It effectively combats any scalping and makes ticket sales honest and fair. I've managed ticket systems for large festivals and this is how we did it.

umvi 3y ago

The article talks about how scalpers circumvent no ticket resale - sell the entire account containing the tickets.

gxs 3y ago
Presumably OP is saying the name on the actual ticket never changes. That is, even if you sell the account, the ticket is tied to the person.
- azinman2 3y ago
  Exactly
- umvi 3y ago
  So basically make concert tickets like airplane tickets

DanHulton 3y ago

The last Nine Inch Nails concert I went to was like this. Fans on the email list got advance sales for the event, and you could buy up to two tickets, and had to have your ID match the tickets. It was great, I was able to watch right from the front of the pit, I didn't have to fight through any weird browser nonsense, and I paid exactly the price of the ticket, no more, no less.

anonymouse008 3y ago

This is the only true solution. There’s a few things to work out legally - but they are all solvable. Perhaps there should be a seat transfer portal that opens 24-48 hours before (or at some specified time) for those true extenuating circumstances so family members or friends could get access to tickets. Otherwise, first principles says end transferability to end the secondary market.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
You add a game; and it will get gamed.
master_crab 3y ago
Just allow refunds/partial refunds to the original seller and they can put it back on the market. Airlines arguably have the same type of selling situation and no one is scalping coach seats to Cleveland.

bufferoverflow 3y ago

Or just make it an auction. Every ticket goes to the highest bidder.

azinman2 3y ago
That’s effectively what it is now, and it means poorer ppl lose. That’s not good for society.
- bufferoverflow 3y ago
  That's not what it is now. Right now the scalper gets the difference between the ticket price and what the highest bidder pays. In an auction all that money would go to the artist.

h1fra 3y ago

I don't see any reason why platform and artists are alright with tickets reselling, it's madness to me that no artists "consortium" has demanded a change already. In France, a famous youtuber has partnered with the major platform to forbid any ticket resell for their show, and it worked pretty well. But still it was only one time.

hedora 3y ago
In the US, the ticket selling platform (tickemaster) and the venue (live nation) are usually the same company. The sale is set up so that ticket resale is forbidden, except that scalpers can resell them via ticketmaster. Ticketmaster gets to charge a second transaction fee when the scalper resells it. Artists don’t have enough market leverage to bypass this. (Pearl Jam famously tried and failed at the top of their career.) So, it’s a combination of auction fraud (building a platform for scalpers while pretending to enforce anti-scalper policies) and monopoly power (colluding with venues and probably agents to depress first-sale ticket prices). I tried to figure out if ticketmaster also owns and operates the scalping companies (allowing two-sided auction fraud). I came up with a firm “maybe”.

valyagolev 3y ago

this, but allow refunds.

koolba 3y ago
If you do, you have to allow a random back off before the tickets are made available for resale. Otherwise there will be “transfers” through sale / purchase.
- jmole 3y ago
  just make a waitlist?

Quarrel 3y ago

This is what Hamilton did when it opened in London. You could in some circumstances return tickets to the theatre for a full refund, but couldn't resell them. The buying credit card had to be shown at entry to make sure they hadn't been resold. Afaik, they're still doing this.

bastard_op 3y ago

Treat them like an airplane ticket, you don't see others getting on when it isn't in their name, do you? I don't see people scalping flights to shady people for the past 20 or so years, so it's possible. Ticketmaster simply won't take the measures, as they have absolutely no financial problem with the way it is now or throughout the history of them existing. Their only problem is trying to figure out how to get scalper prices themselves, which they've already tried and gotten backlash for.

azinman2 3y ago
This is where regulation could come in.

MPSimmons 3y ago

I hate this, but unless your solution can sufficiently answer the question, "How does this benefit Ticketmaster?", it will never happen so long as they have a monopoly on ticket sales.

sampli 3y ago

Yeah I don’t like scalpers at all, but I don’t think I should have to give out any personal information to buy a concert ticket.

azinman2 3y ago
You already do
carlosjobim 3y ago
Your name?

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carlosjobim 3y ago

It's not impractical at all. It effectively combats any scalping and makes ticket sales honest and fair. I've managed ticket systems for large festivals and this is how we did it.