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U.S. Provided Canada with Intelligence on Killing of Sikh Leader

51 points by vinni2 3y ago

fidotron 3y ago
There are several extraordinary things about this episode, but the main one is clearly India have the west by the proverbials. If things escalated to the point the west wanted to detach from India in the same way as it seems to with China it is not at all obvious that they could. All those offshored services would suddenly do what? Has this turned out to be the mother of all security blind spots? Given that if this turns out to be true, and Modi etc. get away with it, I expect they will become quite emboldened about doing this more generally.
- morbidious 3y ago
  Actually, I was just about to say if the west happens to be lying through their teeth, they would be emboldened to spread countless other lies about other countries and get away with it. Or even better, they are already quite emboldened and have experience with lying categorically thinking it would work all the time.
- conover 3y ago
  Saudi Arabia “got away with it” with Khashoggi. Realpolitik will prevail in the end I think.
- 5822130027 3y ago
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- arwineap 3y ago
  Can you share what it would look like for India not to "get away with it?" Sanctions?
  - SanjayMehta 3y ago
    In 1998 India had sanctions after the nuclear tests. For few months. So good luck with that today.
- deleted 3y ago
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subliminalpanda 3y ago
https://archive.ph/fjihS https://archive.ph/fjihS
pxue 3y ago
This is an act of war.
- more_corn 3y ago
  The assassination or the sharing of information about who perpetrated the assassination?
- kstenerud 3y ago
  That's (thankfully) not how geopolitics work.
init2null 3y ago
As we should. Canada is a trusted ally. India should know to expect healthy-ish democracies to share intel. India and Turkey are both great nations with so much potential, but they are stuck with toxic, dangerous leaders holding them back.
- LegitShady 3y ago
  its far more likely so that each country can avoid laws about spying on their own citizens by having another five eyes country do it for them, and pass the information to them 'officially' whenever needed.
  - init2null 3y ago
    That is a cynical take, but there's plenty of truth there. Intelligence agencies in general are the purest distillation of the worldview that the ends justify the means.
setum 3y ago
All the proof put forward thus far is: trust me bro.
- arwineap 3y ago
  > intercepted communications of Indian diplomats in Canada indicating involvement in the plot, was gathered by Canadian officials https://archive.ph/JunBd https://archive.ph/JunBd I'm sure the details of this communications will eventually become public, but usually these things take a month or two to filter down. Undoubtedly the Modi administration has received more information about it than we have. Hypothetically, is there some sort of motive you have for Canada to want to blame India for such a murder? What would they have to gain?
  - ignorethefacts 3y ago
    > Hypothetically, is there some sort of motive you have for Canada to want to blame India for such a murder? What would they have to gain? Canada is part of the death cult hell bent on world domination. The current plan involves using Ukrainians as fodder in a hopeless attempt for what they outwardly claim is the defeat of Russia. India is one of Russia's key allies and blowing up such a minor event in the media follows the trend of isolating and disrupting Russia's allies, both physically and in the minds of the people in the west.
    - arwineap 3y ago
      It seems to me that this is a new troll account pushing an agenda, but in the interests of discourse, I'll bite How do you justify Russia invading a sovereign country? Does that not constitute a death march? Why would you think the western world ( the death cult ? ) would want to support Russia's aggression instead of Ukraine's defense? And finally, with the entire world already against Russia's aggression, why would Canada need to discredit India who's Russian support seems to be limited to dark room oil deals?
      - ignorethefacts 3y ago
labrador 3y ago
This is really sad because the Sikh religion is one of the most enlightened and peaceful believe systems on the planet. I'm am not a Sikh, but someone interested in frameworks that humans use to cope with life.
- blackoil 3y ago
  While Sikh religion in current form is mostly peaceful and positive. Its origin is in the violent struggle against Islamic invaders and rulers in India. Kripan (a form of knife) is one of the 5 things a Sikh must(religious) wear at all times. Also, North Indian state of Punjab saw a violent separatist movement for independent states for Sikhs (Khalistan). Many Sikhs in Canada are part of this movement in various form.
- dartharva 3y ago
  *Sikh communities across the world are peaceful and positive, not the Sikh religion. Like Islam and Christianity, Sikhism, too, developed originally as a violent reaction to prevailing social conditions in the region. Religions are social constructs primarily built to give in-group members a sense of belonging and distinction against the out-group. They very, very rarely have anything to do with enlightenment and peace.

51 points by vinni2 3y ago

There are several extraordinary things about this episode, but the main one is clearly India have the west by the proverbials. If things escalated to the point the west wanted to detach from India in the same way as it seems to with China it is not at all obvious that they could. All those offshored services would suddenly do what? Has this turned out to be the mother of all security blind spots? Given that if this turns out to be true, and Modi etc. get away with it, I expect they will become quite emboldened about doing this more generally.

morbidious 3y ago
Actually, I was just about to say if the west happens to be lying through their teeth, they would be emboldened to spread countless other lies about other countries and get away with it. Or even better, they are already quite emboldened and have experience with lying categorically thinking it would work all the time.
conover 3y ago
Saudi Arabia “got away with it” with Khashoggi. Realpolitik will prevail in the end I think.
5822130027 3y ago
[dead]
arwineap 3y ago
Can you share what it would look like for India not to "get away with it?" Sanctions?
- SanjayMehta 3y ago
  In 1998 India had sanctions after the nuclear tests. For few months. So good luck with that today.
deleted 3y ago
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subliminalpanda 3y ago

https://archive.ph/fjihS https://archive.ph/fjihS

pxue 3y ago

This is an act of war.

more_corn 3y ago
The assassination or the sharing of information about who perpetrated the assassination?
kstenerud 3y ago
That's (thankfully) not how geopolitics work.

init2null 3y ago

As we should. Canada is a trusted ally. India should know to expect healthy-ish democracies to share intel. India and Turkey are both great nations with so much potential, but they are stuck with toxic, dangerous leaders holding them back.

LegitShady 3y ago
its far more likely so that each country can avoid laws about spying on their own citizens by having another five eyes country do it for them, and pass the information to them 'officially' whenever needed.
- init2null 3y ago
  That is a cynical take, but there's plenty of truth there. Intelligence agencies in general are the purest distillation of the worldview that the ends justify the means.

setum 3y ago

All the proof put forward thus far is: trust me bro.

arwineap 3y ago
> intercepted communications of Indian diplomats in Canada indicating involvement in the plot, was gathered by Canadian officials https://archive.ph/JunBd https://archive.ph/JunBd I'm sure the details of this communications will eventually become public, but usually these things take a month or two to filter down. Undoubtedly the Modi administration has received more information about it than we have. Hypothetically, is there some sort of motive you have for Canada to want to blame India for such a murder? What would they have to gain?
- ignorethefacts 3y ago
  > Hypothetically, is there some sort of motive you have for Canada to want to blame India for such a murder? What would they have to gain? Canada is part of the death cult hell bent on world domination. The current plan involves using Ukrainians as fodder in a hopeless attempt for what they outwardly claim is the defeat of Russia. India is one of Russia's key allies and blowing up such a minor event in the media follows the trend of isolating and disrupting Russia's allies, both physically and in the minds of the people in the west.
  - arwineap 3y ago
    It seems to me that this is a new troll account pushing an agenda, but in the interests of discourse, I'll bite How do you justify Russia invading a sovereign country? Does that not constitute a death march? Why would you think the western world ( the death cult ? ) would want to support Russia's aggression instead of Ukraine's defense? And finally, with the entire world already against Russia's aggression, why would Canada need to discredit India who's Russian support seems to be limited to dark room oil deals?
    - ignorethefacts 3y ago

labrador 3y ago

This is really sad because the Sikh religion is one of the most enlightened and peaceful believe systems on the planet. I'm am not a Sikh, but someone interested in frameworks that humans use to cope with life.

blackoil 3y ago
While Sikh religion in current form is mostly peaceful and positive. Its origin is in the violent struggle against Islamic invaders and rulers in India. Kripan (a form of knife) is one of the 5 things a Sikh must(religious) wear at all times. Also, North Indian state of Punjab saw a violent separatist movement for independent states for Sikhs (Khalistan). Many Sikhs in Canada are part of this movement in various form.
dartharva 3y ago
*Sikh communities across the world are peaceful and positive, not the Sikh religion. Like Islam and Christianity, Sikhism, too, developed originally as a violent reaction to prevailing social conditions in the region. Religions are social constructs primarily built to give in-group members a sense of belonging and distinction against the out-group. They very, very rarely have anything to do with enlightenment and peace.