> As far as storing your contact list online goes, you can always opt out of that by not creating a PIN, or alternatively use a high-entropy one, which takes SG

> As far as storing your contact list online goes, you can always opt out of that by not creating a PIN, or alternatively use a high-entropy one, which takes SGX out of the equation entirely if you don't trust it. Do you have a source for that? That has not been the case previously. Please see this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/htmzrr/psa_disabling_pins_will_now_upload_nothing_to_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/htmzrr/psa_disablin... Unless they've changed something recently, if you don't set a pin, one is created for you and all of your data is still uploaded and stored in the cloud. If you do set one, no matter what it's set to, your data is uploaded and forever stored in the cloud. The confusion surrounding this issue seems intentional (note https://old.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/htmzrr/psa_disabling_pins_will_now_upload_nothing_to_the/fyjy7a5/ https://old.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/htmzrr/psa_disablin...) What's harmful is misleading vulnerable users about the risks they take by using Signal. Signal has a responsibility to make it very clear to everyone using their product what data is being uploaded to their servers and stored, and when that takes place. Signal promotes their app to people whose freedom, and lives may be at stake, so it's critical that those people are allowed to evaluate what using Signal could mean for them. They can't do that while Signal outright lies to them and provides misleading answers to direct questions. > These are nice projects, but no. We're talking about a Mozilla-equivalent to Facebook (WhatsApp, Messenger) here, not Zoom (which Jitsi actually does quite nicely)! What does facebook messenger do those those apps don't? They support voice and video calls, but also instant messaging, file sharing, screen sharing, group chat, etc